Vet Eliminating Farm Calls

Entirely possible, but probably irrelevant to the OP.

As to the cost of vet school, sure - if we don’t do something about the cost of higher education across the board, we’ll soon find that all sorts of technical professionals are unavailable to us. That’s just brass tacks, no matter how much the (bipartisan) political class pisses and moans.

But anyhow. My vet is a one-woman practice too, and she’s coping, in part, by using a kind of tele-health via text. I’ve offered to pay for this several times, though she she hasn’t accepted any money yet. She certainly deserves to get paid for time. She could even offer some kind of tele-health service for a fee, which I think would be great for everyone.

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I don’t think so, because we are talking work/life balance.
the cost of becoming and being a vet is the same for men and women.

The mental toll might be bigger for women than it is for men.
I am sure male vets have their judgment questioned but to the point of letting an animal suffer for another week?

So when your pay does not hold up to life’s demand and the mental side is crushing you…

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Right. And the OP’s problem is the lack of a vet, not concern for the “work/life balance” of the people she employs.

Personally, I don’t care what gender my vet is, so long as he/she/they is competent and turns up on time.

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Ah, stepping right around the point.

The work/life balance of the people you contract is important as far as the availability of your contractor goes.
And the OP does not employ the vet, she contracts.
Like a plumber.
Who will come to your house when they can, maybe today, maybe tomorrow, or not if they don’t feel the job.

How much do you value the expertise of your contractor?
Are you more critical, and sell it as being ‘informed’? I am sure those mechanisms are not intentional in most people.
I just keep thinking about the article a guy wrote when he and his female coleague accidentally switched work emails. He went through a week of hell, having every single decision and suggestion questioned umpteen times
While she had the most productive week of her career. Because the customers thought she was the guy in the office. Okie dokie, will do, problem fixed.

The qualities that make one a great vet can also eat you from inside in the business end of things.

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And your point is . . . what? Are you assuming the OP needs a female vet for some reason?

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I would prefer a woman vet, and I have a new one coming out on a farm call next week. Starting when our daughter was born, we tried to find as many women role models as possible. We even took her with us to ERA amendment marches in Washington. Women were scarce in the health care professions back in the ‘70’s, except for RN’s. But she had a woman dentist, a woman orthodontist, a woman allergy doctor, and a woman vet for her first horse. Our town had no woman pediatrician.

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I know have a lovely lady dentist, and at first, I was tempted to call her Dr ‘first name’ but I didn’t do that to the lovely gentleman who mentored her and passed his offices to her.
She has worked hard to get there, and picked a tough time to step out into the world.
And she has a family as well.

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you make sidestepping the issue a pure art form.

What the OP needs isn’t in question.
What the industry needs is.
and we need to find ways to address that. and looking at the greater picture is necessary.
There are mechanisms in play that need to be recognized.

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It is a statistically verified issue we are having when occupations are gender specific and the polarity shifts.

which really has little to no bearing on the elimination of farm/ranch visits by veterinarians, the cost of the visit in lost time and production is business choice.

Us having large animal pets is choice we made but does not mandate a veterinarian be at our service at our call.

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You think the industry needs specifically female vets, all of whom make farm calls?

Why?

What on earth would be wrong with subsidizing higher education in a straightforward, pragmatic way, so that we have enough trained professionals to go around and to facilitate commerce, and then let those professionals decide what they want to do for themselves?

I’m not “sidestepping” your “point.” I just think it’s absurd.

again. ignoring the points many up-thread have made, several times:
it is difficult in some areas to find a competent vet at all, let alone one who does farm calls or after hour services.

Add to this the statistics that the majority of vet students are female.
well, can you at least acknowledge this point before dancing around it again?

The animal husbandry industries need more vets.
Full Stop.

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Not that anybody suggest any of this, but hey, never dismiss a guy’s opinion, right.

Farm visists are fo many a necessity as a service model.
Talking about the farms here.
As far as compensation and business goes, the gender of the practitioner seems to be an issue as anecdotal evidence proves time again, all over the unrelated industries.

But you and red barn have a certain nack to twist the problem

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Of course it does. I think we all know that.

And I just suggested a couple of simple ways that this might be addressed: more tele-health services, and a subsidized veterinary education to train more vets.

What is it you’re proposing, exactly? Hmm?

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PS
your opinion does not coincide with the facts.

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I can’t imagine choosing a vet by gender myself, but if that works for you, go for it. I hope she works out.

Just out of curiosity, though: do you think there are a lot of people who actually think this way? I’m racking my brain here, and I can’t think of anybody who’s ever said that to me.

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But you and red barn have a certain nack to twist the problem

Well what is the problem? It appears the question was elimination of vet farm calls because they were are unprofitable or a miss use of time.

That question has nothing related to gender equity, unprofitably of a farm call is gender neutral

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I agree with this bit, but I can’t agree with the idea that a lack of vets willing to make farm calls is a non-problem. I think it is a problem - not just for the private horse owner who has no desire to force a sick or bleeding horse into a trailer for a two hour drive (this image is positively nightmarish to me) but for commercial large animal facilities of all kinds.

Just think of all the businesses, and potential businesses, adversely affected by the inability to find or afford veterinary care. That’s one more drag on the rural economy that we absolutely do not need!

@Red_Barn, I do not think anyone in this thread thinks the vet shortage situation is not a problem.

It for sure is a problem. A huge problem.

What it isn’t is a problem that it is up to the current vets to fix because someone here says they must. If a current vet says they need to go to office only for whatever the reason, no one should be telling them they are wrong for doing that. Maybe it is office only or no vet at all… Or maybe it is office only or this vet becomes another sad statistic about vet suicide.

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I don’t disagree at all. Vets have to make a living too, and they owe us exactly nothing.

I’m just pointing out that broad-based problems like this should be seen in the larger economic context, rather than in terms of personalities and identity politics. If you live in a society that refuses to pay for professional training in the key areas that keep the country running, then yeah - this is exactly the kind of thing that’ll invariably happen.

The US used to understand this, and funded all sorts of public colleges and trade schools accordingly, but clearly we no longer do. Hence the problem.

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There’s a lot of reliable research on women’s negotiating for higher pay compared to men. Women tend not to value themselves as highly as male applicants for the same positions. Hopefully that is changing, but it’s been the reality, sadly.

Err… Actually, there’s a lot of reliable research that shows that it’s not that women don’t negotiate well or value themselves, but rather that when women negotiate they are seen as pushy and bossy whereas men are seen as forthright and confident. Negotiating hurts women. It helps men. No matter what women do, they are viewed in a negative light. Essentially all work women do is a passion or a hobby or expected and if they make cold, hard decisions based on the numbers, they’re heartless and only in it for the money, while men get to be clear-headed and driven. Research shows that women not only have to back off when negotiating, they know this. Turns out we’re sort of experienced at this getting screwed thing and we know we walk a fine line.

Don’t take my word for it. Here’s what Harvard Business says about the issue of women being treated differently when negotiating.

When you look at the fields “historically dominated by women,” they’re not particularly historic - women working in career fields at all is pretty new. It’s really only in recent decades that you can call anything “female-dominated.” Sure, you took in mending or cleaned, but that was women’s work. It filled the gaps, it wasn’t seen as a job. Teaching, secretarial work, nursing, medicine. All of those were male dominated up until quite recently. It was felt that women didn’t have the brains for teaching and secretarial work and then as soon as it became dominated by women, despite the fact that they’re increasingly laborious job, it’s suddenly easy. Of course women have been teaching for a long, long time (unless you got married - time to quit and manage the household!) but it was only a woman’s job at the lowest levels - you weren’t going to Harvard to have a woman teach you about physics. Nursing and medicine were considered too much for women with all that blood and now that they’re mostly dominated by women, it’s a career about passion for humanity rather than a passion for knowledge and progress (or just cutting things with sharp objects and not getting in trouble for it).

I do not think for one second that the issue is that women in vet medicine aren’t negotiating properly or life balancing appropriately. Women vets are valuing themselves just fine. Society might be undervaluing them but let’s not mistake the two. For the record, the profession currently sucks for both men and women and I am watching both men and women talk about how they’d sort of like to leave and never come back.

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