Vets and others: what illnesses look like HGE?

No xylitol or grapes, no lawn chemicals, no antifreeze, etc. These are very experienced owners, over 20 years with Rottweilers.

I have also had Rotts for over 20 years, and know breeders around the country.
I have never heard that my breed is more prone to Parvo, Jetsmom.

They are, I know this by experience and I would suspect a mutated parvo virus also. There is a very virulent new strain also.

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Thanks for the info! I knew they were bad for fogs but was unsure of symptoms.
With your veterinary knowledge, could parvo be an issue when there is no fever? Since all those dogs got sick/died and had bloody diarhea and vomitting… Aren’t rots more prone to parvo than some breeds?[/QUOTE]

Parvo is extremely unlikely in an adult dog who has been through a proper protocol of puppy vaccinations and routine boosters as adults. Parvo comes on over few days as well and a fever is almost always accompanied by symptoms. However parvo diarrhea is a little different in smell than normal bloody diarrhea because intestinal cells die off as well. Parvo animals usually die from sepsis and dehydration and rarely so fulminantly. I believe a parvo test was done though, wasn’t it?

Rotties are more likely to receive some strains as puppies according to some studies.

I think what people are missing is that bloody diarrhea is a generally non-specific symptom. Yes, while you can have that with bleeding disorders (rodenticide toxicity, thrombocytopenia, DIC, etc.), you can basically get bloody diarrhea whenever the colon and the intestines are pissed off. Superficial vessels hemorrhage in the large intestine and you get frank blood. It is a symptom of many diseases but for a diagnosis you need to look at the whole picture – bloodwork, physical exam, history, response to treatment, etc.

Yes, Parvo was negative. Always a chance for a new virulent strain, I suppose. :-/

On another discussion board, canine Circovirus was mentioned. I did some reading, as I am always interested in “medical mysteries”, or veterinary, in this case.

It seems unclear if it was truly confirmed in some dogs who got sick in 2013-14, in Ohio and Michigan, then in California. It was also unclear to me if it appeared to be a coinfection, or was the actual cause of the dogs’ illness. The only other mammal it infects, causing illness, is the pig.

Did they open a new bag of dog food? Any recalls on the food they use?

They checked with the company about the lot number on the bag that they were feeding. No recalls, no issues at all; the company has never had a recall according to the owners. In an abundance of caution, they bought a new bag.

They fed a homemade chicken and rice diet to the ma that survived, and to the female since she was interested in it, too. Not sure if they’ve even started the new kibble, since the female is still recovering.

UPDATE

Necropsy results did not provide any answers, other than to rule out Parvo and any toxic agents. Sadly, the owners did not get the closure they were hoping for as to the cause of this sudden illness.

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UPDATE

Necropsy results did not provide any answers, other than to rule out Parvo and any toxic agents. Sadly, the owners did not get the closure they were hoping for as to the cause of this sudden illness.[/QUOTE]

I assume tissues have been sent to pathologist? a very sad and perplexing issue

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I assume tissues have been sent to pathologist? a very sad and perplexing issue[/QUOTE]

Yes, and if anything further comes in for testing results, or even the vets’ guesses about what happened, I will be sure to post.

I had a few adult dogs with confirmed parvovirus last summer. I always rule it out now.