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Well turn it around and stop focusing on the Stallion. We have been very successful in building a very strong mare base in the is country after being poked in the eye so many times from Europe.
If a mare has a COP or is by a Stallion that was not approved she certainly SHOULD be considered for either a PreMare Book or Mare Book and SHOULD be considered to be moved up if she is producing high quality foals. After all the goal of breeding is the PRODUCTION of QUALITY OFFSPRING. The number of mares who have been in this category is not a huge percentage but by golly if they are excellent producers - why not have that pedigree information for other breeders to consider.
We have all too many STALLIONS in every single registry right now who checked all the boxes to be licensed and yet when you look at the quality of their offspring it’s average or below.
The goal is top quality performance horses (or ponies) - and I can tell you if you look at the papers of many horses in Europe you will see some blanks on the pink papers going back a few generations but the mares were top producers.[/QUOTE]
Ilona - that is all well and good if ISR wants to use whatever breeding rules suit its own purposes. No one has an issue with that - every registry is free to choose its own direction. But it causes a lot of confusion throughout the industry when some horses called “Oldenburgs” are bred to standards established by the Oldenburg Verband, and some other horses called “Oldenburgs” are bred to different standards.
And sorry you think this is the same old song, but there are a LOT of people who do not understand the difference. When even the Devon breed show secretary doesn’t understand the difference, it’s a problem. When a performance show secretary hands out an OHBS/GOV High Score neck sash to an ISR/ONA horse because she doesn’t know the difference, it’s a problem. When a show organizer tells her awards chair, “Oh, you don’t need to contact them, we already have an Oldenburg award (from ISR/ONA)”, it’s a problem. When a breeder brings a mare for inspection that cannot go in the MMB because her dam was sired by an unlicensed WB stallion, and the breeder doesn’t understand why because the same mare is in the ISR/ONA MMB, it’s a problem. And when the foal of said mare cannot earn a premium award because the mare isn’t eligible for MMB, it’s a problem. When someone breeds to a stallion “approved” through the ISR/ONA 10-day test, and expects that foal to be eligible for a foal premium, it’s a problem. When someone breeds to a stallion that FAILED the NA 70-day test (but who was accepted as “lifetime approved” by ISR/ONA after its officials “re-wrote” the stallion’s scores), and the breeder expects the foal to be eligible for a foal premium, it’s a problem. And some of these examples can be especially worrisome if said foal is a FILLY, because she will not be eligible for higher mare books when grown.
Basically, it comes down to this: Oldenburgs originated in Germany, and the Oldenburg Verband is the final authority on Oldenburg breeding rules. Putting daughters of unlicensed WB stallions in the MMB, moving Pre-Mare book mares up to MMB status, giving non-Oldenburg mares “Premium” status, giving “lifetime breeding approval” to stallions who have not successfully completed a performance test acknowledged by the Verband are NOT approved policies of the Verband. If ISR wants to establish different policies, it should not be using the Oldenburg name. It is as simple as that.
