You might also want to expand your search to include ISH. Many of them are crosses with TB and Irish. The amount of Irish draught can vary. We breed both 1/4 and 1/2 Irish for our sport horses. The ID is often desired because of improving feet and bone.
For WB, I think the Trak and Selle Francais are lighter and hotter with a lot of blood. For example our mare is a registered Selle Francais and is by a TB stallion and carries a lot of additinal blood.
Go over to the racing forum and post your request for a young TB that isn’t going to make it as a runner.
There are breeders there who would be happy to hook you up to someone who has a slow youngster.
-Since you prefer TB.
Just don’t expect to get it for nothing money-wise. Quality costs.
There is way too much to type from my phone regarding history of the breed (TK) and Warmbloods in general. But I wanted to throw it out there that this year the ATA Convention will be at Tryon Equestrian Center and will be held in conjunction of the Young Horse Series Championships. I’d invite you (and anyone else) to come join us for the weekend :).
Actually, some do resemble a breed as much as any dog breed. They are not pure as Arabs or TB’s, but that doesn’t meant that some aren’t a breed. You have to separate those that act like a registry, and those that act like a breed. Sure there is a lot of sharing of some bloodlines, but a few are highly concentrated genetics with a type that is shared. Zangersheide, OS, RPSI are types of “Registries”. SF, Hol, Han operate more like a breed.
Tim
. Warmbloods are crosses between TBs and Arabs and carriage horses of all types in europe. That’s the simple explanation. Of course those crosses have produced many great jumpers and dressage horses.
This shows a fundamental lack of understanding for what WBs are.
I would call them a “type” of horse. They aren’t a breed (except Trakhener), but they are far more than is implied by calling them a collection of horse registries.
There have been different riding, carriage, and work WB lines since the 1700s. For generations, Europeans have carefully crafted their WB registries to produce the best sport horse bloodlines in the world.
Yes, for refinment, they sometimes included a few of the very best hotblooded horses in their books. 99% of these TBs, Anglo Arabs, and Arabs didn’t come from the U.S., but people often incorrectly think that they did.
Europe has had very stringent standards for breeding stock, so although they do produce some average or even below average horses, the overall quality is fantastic. Over generations, they have even refined the boodlines for specific disciplines (dressage vs. jumping).
Many people on this board like to minimize European quality or maybe they truly just don’t understand it.
But, if you look at the very best sport horses being bred today in the U.S., they all come from European bloodlines.
The book recommended earlier is a great place to start, if you really want to understand WB breeding and bloodlines.
There are wonderful horses of all breeds and the right one for you could be any of them.
But, for competitive show jumping, hunters, or dressage WBs are the best money can buy.
I would also recommend Chris Hector’s book “The Making of the Modern Warmblood - From Gotthard to Gribaldi” and infact just did to someone who is beginning to start breeding. However we were not able to find a place to purchase it online. I bought several copies online in the past but those sources no longer have the book available. Can someone help us locate the book?
TIA Melissa
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I would also recommend Chris Hector’s book “The Making of the Modern Warmblood - From Gotthard to Gribaldi” and infact just did to someone who is beginning to start breeding. However we were not able to find a place to purchase it online. I bought several copies online in the past but those sources no longer have the book available. Can someone help us locate the book?
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I believe it’s out of print, at least here. You might want to check out Chris Hector’s website, where much of the book’s information is - and a whole lot more. http://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/ Its focus us Australia, since that’s where he is, but there’s tons of reference material about the European horses, bloodlines, and registries.
I am no breed expert, but I think that instead of looking at what registry you should find out what bloodlines are being successful at what you want to do. You mentioned jumping, go to shows see what horses are doing well and see if you can find out there bloodlines. look up jumping stallions and mares and see what there offspring are doing. If you do your research you will start to notice temperament trends.
I think you can find a warmblood that is to your liking. There are also a few Thoroughbred stallions that are wb approved Coconut Grove comes to mind, also I can’t point you to anyone specifically but I do know that there are breeders that breed thoroughbreds for sport. Good luck in your search.
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Go over to the racing forum and post your request for a young TB that isn’t going to make it as a runner.
There are breeders there who would be happy to hook you up to someone who has a slow youngster.
-Since you prefer TB.
Just don’t expect to get it for nothing money-wise. Quality costs.[/QUOTE]
Ditto this. You can for sure find a TB that has’t been started for the track. And there are breeders out there who breed TBs for sport. Coth members Fred and gumtree are the ones who come to mind. Gumtree does breed for the track but might know of one who won’t make it. I would PM both of them and see what they say.
P.
Thank you all for your suggestions. Definitely gives me a lot to think about and plan for my future horse. 
Thanks Anna. I sent him an email and will update with any new information I get about the book’s availability.
I keep one TB mare in my breeding program because I feel she is very special (and can hold her own with my big WB jumper girls), and because I personally like to ride the type she produces. She was inspected and approved MMB with the German Oldenburg Verband and all of her foals have been registered with GOV. Side note- she has produced three out of three premium foals and two of them were Foals of Distinction.
I would suggest that you look at quality breeding programs that register foals with respected registries and have high quality mares and proven offspring. Then, you can look for a baby with a high percentage of TB blood, or even offspring of a super TB mare who that particular breeder really believes is special. There is a lot of pressure (from market and bias against TB) to not use TB mares in breeding programs aimed at the upper level of sport. Yet, they can still be found and those are often the really, really special ones.
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