Hi there, I’m new to this forum and hoping someone might be able to help me out. I apologize if I don’t have this in the correct thread. So recently I was gifted a mare, who was claimed to have been of Warmblood descent. Unfortunately, her papers (if she truely had any) were misplaced. I’m currently on the hunt to see if there is any way to prove whether or not she is papered. Don’t worry, I know it’s a long shot. Not only would it be nice to have an accurate record of her age, she is a mare who I believe would make a great breeding prospect- very correct conformation, floaty movement, great scope and a nice disposition- but I won’t breed a grade horse. I honestly feel that she is too talented to have just been two grade horses thrown together. I feel that there must have been some serious planned breeding at one point. She does seem similar to some of the offspring of Portland L that I have worked with in the past. Like I said earlier- shot in the dark, but it would be amazong to be able to find out if she does have papers. Suggestions appreciated!!!
You could try placing ads on local FB groups and in local publications with any information you have (picture, location etc.) And maybe clip to make sure she doesn’t have a brand and check for a microchip.
I’m pretty positive she doesn’t have a brand, as she’s fine haired- but I will definitely see about a microchip. And facebook would definitely be worth a try. I’m assuming I can just ask the vet to check for one?
You can try scanning for a microchip, but your chances are about 50/50 that she has one. And if no brand or no chip, your chances are pretty much zero and none on ID’ing her.
If you are convinced she is breeding material, you can probably get her inspected into a lower mare book with RPSI, ISR, or OHBS/GOV. That would at least make her foals by approved stallions eligible for registration papers.
(FWIW, We have had some nice unregistered/un-papered TB mares at our OHBS/GOV inspections in years past. And some of them produced rather nice foals by WB stallions!)
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Post on warmblood breeding FB groups. Minus tack but with location. She is super cute.
One thing about her being branded too is that sometimes you will not be able to see it without using a razor to the skin and getting it wet. If she is branded…
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CWHBA won’t take a horse without a known pedigree. Are you in Canada? If so, what province? Any idea if she was bred locally? She reminds me a LOT of a friend’s gelding by the dutch stallion Titan…
She is cute. Just for curiosity, have you looked for a lip tattoo, sometimes a TB is sold as a WB with “lost” papers.
if she’s from Ontario she may be from one of the Ontario Breeders Production Sales - commercial x tb crosses and some Irish blood if I remember correctly - may be worth contacting Barb Bowen and seeing if she rings any bells
I took my unpapered mare with an unconfirmable pedigree (deceased ATA sire who didn’t finish performance testing, out of a TB dam with no JC papers because she was a windy twin) to a CWBHA inspection and she was accepted with flying colours.
Her sire had a promising show career, competing in the national jumper development series until suffering a career-ending injury. Her dam produced four or five champion hunters and was full sister to a champion hunter. It’s just that neither of them had been registered / approved for various reasons.
My mare herself has a good hunter performance record, including multiple championships, classic wins and year-end awards on the A circuit – both before and after having her foal.
Said foal is now three, and for sh!ts and giggles, I took him out to the Cup qualifiers this fall, where he finished 4th on the line (GG) and high-point champion under saddle (LG).
My point is that “unpapered” doesn’t have to be synonymous with “poor quality.”
Can you run a DNA test through CLRC to see if she HAS been registered with a Canadian registry? They may even be able to help you narrow down potential parentage.
I am located in Alberta, and according to the previous owners she came from Lethbridge. I do own another CWBHA mare, but unfortunately I’m not familiar with the inspection process. I will check her for a tattoo tonight. And I agree, unregistered doesn’t mean poor quality- I just don’t want to continue the long list of horses without papers. If I was to breed her, I would want to ensure that her offspring can be registered. Also with the DNA- can CLRC do that? I know I had a similar case years ago with a gelding in a different registry, but they weren’t able to help me because they claimed comparing the DNA with so many in the database would be almost impossible. Is this something the CLRC is able to do?
I don’t know if the CLRC will do it for you, but you could try the genetic testing lab that does the actual tests on their behalf. I think it’s Genserve or something like that, and I believe they are in Sask. It may cost you $$$, but if you think the mare is worth it, give it a shot.
Have you tried contacting the CWBHA rep in your area? Jennette Coote - BD, MC, SB AB_chapter@canadianwarmbloods.com 403-556-8046
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I don’t know if the CLRC will do it for you, but you could try the genetic testing lab that does the actual tests on their behalf. I think it’s Genserve or something like that, and I believe they are in Sask. It may cost you $$$, but if you think the mare is worth it, give it a shot.
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It may have evolved, but I think they could confirm the identity of a horse, if you ask to validate a specific presumed identity and that they have that presumed horse DNA. I do not think they can take a sample and blindly find the identity of the horse.
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It may have evolved, but I think they could confirm the identity of a horse, if you ask to validate a specific presumed identity and that they have that presumed horse DNA. I do not think they can take a sample and blindly find the identity of the horse.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - they can confirm that the horse is/is not the one you think it is - or confirm that the sire is/is not the one you think it is (assuming his DNA is on file). They can’t do a blind search.
How old were you told she was? Have a look at breeder websites around Lethbridge and see if anyone produces horses similar to her, you may even stumble across an old picture of her. Also wouldn’t hurt to send a polite email inquiry to a few of the breeders, you never know if they will know anything. If she is registered Canadian Warmblood I do not believe you will find a brand but I could be incorrect about that, just know the Canadian warmbloods I have had were not branded. Brands can also be very tough to find, I did not think my one gelding was branded (did not show up after bath during the summer) then he came in one day with his hair puffed out on a cool fall day and there was the brand as clear as can be.
Good luck with your search, it is always nice to know pedigree for future breeding as well as just for interest sake. She is very cute.
Yeah I figured unless I had a pretty good idea of who she was, DNA would be a pretty long shot. I was told she was believed to be 8. Unfortunately finding a breeder site in my area has been the struggle. Unfortunately I don’t even have an idea of what her name might have been. Her previous barn name “Bella” unfortunately doesn’t get me very far. 
If she came with any paperwork (coggins etc) you can try contacting the vet/ barn etc.
So if I was to look for this brand aka clip etc- are most Warmblood brands on the left hip? I’ve seen the Canadian Warmblood brand before there, but just aren’t sure about the other registries. And if I just decided to get her approved so that her offspring can be registered- how does one go about that?
also maybe check for a possible RPSI brand (looks like a bridge)
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So if I was to look for this brand aka clip etc- are most Warmblood brands on the left hip? I’ve seen the Canadian Warmblood brand before there, but just aren’t sure about the other registries. And if I just decided to get her approved so that her offspring can be registered- how does one go about that?[/QUOTE]
Yes, most do left hip with various letters or symbols
She will not be approved without known parentage. See if she is branded. If not, she will go into the lowest books. Her offspring could possibly (pending registry used) could go in a higher book within 4 generations (RPSI is one).
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