Warwickshire follower killed by hunt monitor gyrocopter

[JSwan]

[QUOTE=seeuatx;3944769]
Especially with the IRA poking their heads out of their holes again, you’d think they would be on the look out for suspicious things like this. Sad thing is that more and more fringe groups seem to be steering back towards terroristic actions without blinking a lash, whereas there was a distinct drop-off in such activity after 9/11.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it does appear that is happening.

The incident that happened here may have been taken seriously because we are near a large military base, so my experience may not be typical. The helicopter was not flying in restricted airspace - but… oh… let’s see if I get the terminology right. It was operating under visual flight rules but the sun had set? And it was flying at and below treetop level. I don’t know which is worse.

Having almost lost my mother on 9/11 (Pentagon), I admit my trigger finger did itch a little, and my heart raced a teeny bit. But… I just called 911 and the pilot paid for his little stunt.

Perhaps that was going to happen to this pilot but it just didn’t happen in time to prevent this tragedy. And it’s a tragedy for the pilot and his family too. Many lives ruined.

[asb_own_me]

@Trakehner;3944197

The anti-hunt sabs are a pretty warped and evil group wrapping themselves in the mantle of “but we care about the world and the wild creatures…not those Toff’s wearing funny clothes”. They’re basically animal rights terrorists, laying traps, setting houses on fire, poisoning hounds, beating up OAPs who dare to enjoy the world outside the city.

They sound a lot like the ELF lunatics. It’s okay to kill people but not animals. Hmmm.

[Moesha]

[QUOTE=EasterEgg;3944776]
I just wanted to say that as a British Citizen, Trakehner’s little rant does not in anyway reflect my thoughts or beliefs. I am grateful that we have freedom of press in this country and that people have the right to protest no matter how distateful we might find their views. The people who threw objects at the protestors were arrested - and rightly so. If it is decided that the protestors were inciting hatred then they should be arrested nd prosecuted as such. Remember that there were less than 20 protestors at that march. To say that their views reflect those of the entire population of British Muslims is both insulting and ignorant.

Oh, and I’ve never, ever hear London referred to as ‘Londonistan’ - and I read the Telegraph ;):lol: What an absurd thing to say![/QUOTE]

My partner is from the UK and we have a house there as well and I have never heard of London referred to as that either…

I have no use for terrorists of any kind animal, muslim, christian, etc. But laying prejudice and hatred on people does nothing to help anyone.

The poor victim, and his family… it is heartbreaking and horrific. Whatever justice can be found should be; to the fullest extent, although it won’t bring him back it might save others…

[Trakehner]

[QUOTE=Moesha;3945092]
My partner is from the UK and we have a house there as well and I have never heard of London referred to as that either…I have no use for terrorists of any kind animal, muslim, christian, etc. But laying prejudice and hatred on people does nothing to help anyone.[/QUOTE]

Uh huh…sorry you aren’t familiar with the term…try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londonistan_(term)

Origin of the termThe variation Londinistan is also in use. These terms originated in 1995 from French counter-terrorism agents who were attempting to track and arrest Islamic terrorists associated with the Algerian GIA who had launched a deadly campaign of bombings on the Paris Metro. Some of these suspects were using London as a base to attack Paris[6]. The term is accused by some of being racist, especially after it was used as the title for a book by Melanie Phillips, voted most Islamophobic Journalist by the Islamic Human Rights Commission[7] in 2003. However, others have denounced the term “Londonistan” as racist, because Islam itself is not any one race but rather a religion and political ideology that spans a diverse region from Southeast Asia, across the Middle East, and throughout most of Northern Africa.
The British government’s perceived unwillingness to prosecute or extradite terrorist suspects provoked tensions with countries in which attacks occurred. Allegations of a British policy of appeasement of Islamists were made and denied.

As far as terrorists listed as “Animal, Muslim & Christian”…name a terrorist attack that wasn’t muslim vs. everyone else lately? It wasn’t Christians flying airliners into buildings or carrying bombs into the London tube or buses. Pssst…it was muslims. They are the world’s terrorists who hate the 20th century…heck, they hate the 12th century, women’s rights and most everything else. It’s not prejudice to name who the terrorists are, it’s prejudiced to refuse to name them and lay the guilt where it lays.

There’s an old saying, “When you hear hoofbeats, don’t look for zebras”.

[Equibrit]

Oh well - if it originated with the FRENCH and it is a putdown of London - then it must SURELY be true! AND on Wikipedia too !

I guess you’d better watch out - they have sleepers here too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

And while you’re at it - why don’t you put yourself in their shoes and imagine how you would feel when other countries are perpetually meddling in your hoimeland and invading/spying/inciting unrest whenever they feel the need - especially the need for oil. You reap what you sow.

[Moesha]

[QUOTE=Trakehner;3945283]
Uh huh…sorry you aren’t familiar with the term…try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londonistan_(term)

Origin of the termThe variation Londinistan is also in use. These terms originated in 1995 from French counter-terrorism agents who were attempting to track and arrest Islamic terrorists associated with the Algerian GIA who had launched a deadly campaign of bombings on the Paris Metro. Some of these suspects were using London as a base to attack Paris[6]. The term is accused by some of being racist, especially after it was used as the title for a book by Melanie Phillips, voted most Islamophobic Journalist by the Islamic Human Rights Commission[7] in 2003. However, others have denounced the term “Londonistan” as racist, because Islam itself is not any one race but rather a religion and political ideology that spans a diverse region from Southeast Asia, across the Middle East, and throughout most of Northern Africa.
The British government’s perceived unwillingness to prosecute or extradite terrorist suspects provoked tensions with countries in which attacks occurred. Allegations of a British policy of appeasement of Islamists were made and denied.

As far as terrorists listed as “Animal, Muslim & Christian”…name a terrorist attack that wasn’t muslim vs. everyone else lately? It wasn’t Christians flying airliners into buildings or carrying bombs into the London tube or buses. Pssst…it was muslims. They are the world’s terrorists who hate the 20th century…heck, they hate the 12th century, women’s rights and most everything else. It’s not prejudice to name who the terrorists are, it’s prejudiced to refuse to name them and lay the guilt where it lays.

There’s an old saying, “When you hear hoofbeats, don’t look for zebras”.[/QUOTE]

I still haven’t heard of it…and my comment about terrorists is just that…any group carrying out terrorist acts I have no sympathy for…not sure why you are making such a point to go on about Muslims? Aren’t we saying some of these animal rights groups are terrorist like in their actions?

and it was Christians last week killing policeman/soldiers in Northern Ireland…but we don’t name them as such and lay the guilt there where it lays do we?

[JSwan]

@Equibrit;3945310

Oh well - if it originated with the FRENCH and it is a putdown of London - then it must SURELY be true! AND on Wikipedia too !

Hey - leave the French out of it! They might get upset and withdraw from NATOand kick SHAPE out of Paris.

Oops. Too late. Never mind…

[Equibrit]

To be honest - I don’t think anybody would notice!

[Quinn]

…a group of scuzzy muslims

Trakehner, your choice of words I find appalling.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

[altjaeger]

You’ve never heard of Londonistan?

http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie-Phillips/dp/B001O0EHN6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236977338&sr=1-1

He didn’t say all Muslims were scuzzy. Just these attacking their host country’s returning troops.

[Equibrit]

[QUOTE=wanabe;3945795]

He didn’t say all Muslims were scuzzy. Just these attacking their host country’s returning troops.[/QUOTE]

That’s the beauty of real free speech! Imagine that; protesting the action of your government.
(PS: they weren’t attacking the troops. They were being attacked by their fellow citizens)

Would you feel better if they were Christians?

[altjaeger]

I’d feel better if:

1. They WERE citizens and not immigrants

and more importantly,

2. Their presence was desired by the citizens of the country (which they definitely are NOT, as all polls show).

[Waterwitch]

Since this discussion is deteriorating into the very bigotry that in extreme cases results in horrible acts such as those we are discussing, I have asked the mods to close the thread.

[altjaeger]

Is this the best you’ve got – name calling?

[rcloisonne]

[QUOTE=asb_own_me;3945059]
They sound a lot like the ELF lunatics. It’s okay to kill people but not animals. Hmmm.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm. Do you mean ALF (Animal Liberation Front)? Sort of the strong arm of PETA.

What a horrible tragedy. But until we know more, this sounds more like an accident and possible negligence than murder. Does anyone really think the pilot tried to kill the poor man on purpose?

[danceronice]

[QUOTE=rcloisonne;3946293]

What a horrible tragedy. But until we know more, this sounds more like an accident and possible negligence than murder. Does anyone really think the pilot tried to kill the poor man on purpose?[/QUOTE]

If belongs to a UK equivalent of PETA, ALF, etc, I have no problem whatsoever that it’s at the very least what my state would call voluntary manslaughter (reckless disregard for human life) if not deliberate murder.

[Trakehner]

[QUOTE=Moesha;3945446]
and it was Christians last week killing policeman/soldiers in Northern Ireland…but we don’t name them as such and lay the guilt there where it lays do we?[/QUOTE]

The IRA are Marxists, not Christians.

[lcw579]

[QUOTE=Waterwitch;3946112]
Since this discussion is deteriorating into the very bigotry that in extreme cases results in horrible acts such as those we are discussing, I have asked the mods to close the thread.[/QUOTE]

Thank You!

[Equibrit]

[QUOTE=Trakehner;3946474]
The IRA are Marxists, not Christians.[/QUOTE]

I doubt that the IRA can spell Marx.

[tikihorse2]

[QUOTE=wanabe;3946001]
I’d feel better if:

1. They WERE citizens and not immigrants

and more importantly,

2. Their presence was desired by the citizens of the country (which they definitely are NOT, as all polls show).[/QUOTE]

Interesting…makes me wonder how the Native Americans felt when Columbus showed up!

Really–I’m soooo tired of having that old argument dragged up!

Kim