Was I at fault?

Okay so this happened… around 2 months ago and I sadly still think about the entire event. I feel bad, did what I could to make it better. I just need some reassurance since I had no one else ot back me up at the time.

I took my paint mare up to a poker ride in the hills, great terrain amazing trails. Our goal was not for the high hand or anything, but the timed prizes. Since we had been doing our best to train for hopefully an endurance ride someday I figured it would be a great place for a trial run. So off we went.

The entire ride I was good about other riders, I had bell necklace on Rain, than an even larger one on the cinch to ensure I was easy to hear. I would slow down the instant I was able to see other riders and would announce my incoming very vocally (I am a naturally loud person) Everyone was really cool, and showed a lot of interest when I explained what I was doing. They would gladly pull off to the side with smiles and let me and Rain go about our way with no issues. Was a great community of rides I was riding with through out the ride.

After about… I think the 3rd check point we were jogging along when we again came upon a group of riders. There were about 8 total of them. As normal we slowed to a walk, and I announced “Coming up behind you all” well before we joined their line up. The last guy in line looked back nodded and smiled before looking back ahead. No one made any move to step to the side, or anything else. But I don’t blame them, that section of the narrow trail had black berry bushes and thick brush on both sides. I had no issue waiting, I was already happy with the time showing on my watch.

Well, 15 minutes pass and they still have not offered to move, they are silent so my bells are pretty much the only thing making noise. I can see a large flat area that had been crunched gown by cattle I am assuming and figured I would pass them there. So I call out “I plan to pass you up ahead, I will keep at a walk” No response once more, even the back guy didn’t look back at me this time.

So we get to this open area, I again call out “Okay I am passing” as loud as I can, and nudge Rain around to get to the flat spot. She walked out fast and long, covering ground at a walk better then some walking horses ha. We give them about a 20 foot gap between myself and them, and head along fine. I get about half way across the group, when a middle horse stops in its tracks, turns and looks at Rain and me. The lady kicks the horse… hard, I mean legs off the horse’s sides and slams them back down. In an instant the horse turns, ears pinned mouth open and darts directly towards me. Looses its rider off the back who lands just off the trail in the soft powder. I get Rain out of the way, horse zooms past and runs for the trees. Other rides are with the gal who fell off so I took off and catch the now rider less horse. Little thing was easy to catch, didn’t act aggressive as I led her back to the group.

I am instantly attacked verbally, the lady is screaming about how stupid I am, how I should know better then to pass others on a trail. That I was just a stupid hick that didn’t know how to ride. Some of her companions joined in. No one even had tried to take her horse back from me. I just said sorry here is your horse and continued on my ride. I was shaken, pretty hurt by all the comments coming from these people. I didn’t think I had done anything wrong I hade made it very clear I was preset and intending to pass them. Its not like I shot by at a run, I was walking past.

I got back and was proud of my time on the ride, took Rain to the trailer and got her all unpacked and began to cool her off. No issues at all. Till here came the lady who had fallen off pulling the man who was in charge of the ride with. She instantly went off on me again, telling him I should be disqualified and then fined for what I did to her and her horse. She was pretty much in a complete rage. He made her leave, before he talked to me about what happened and he did take my side. Considering the lady showed no I’ll affects of the fall at the moment. I explained to him what happened and he only shook his head and laughed a bit, wondering how all that anger could have come from something so random. He said I was safe and not to worry about any of her threats. If she made any more issues for me to come get him. Considering I had gone to this ride on my own, it felt nice to have a little back up.

Well awards came, I ended up winning the time award, but of course her entire group booed and hissed at me in front of the entire mass of riders who had been there. I didn’t even stay to see if I had any prizes from my card. hand, I just left. I felt so attacked and embarrassed I didn’t even want to be around anyone at the ride anymore.

It still eats at me, could I have done anything different? I always replay it again and again wondering if I should have done something different? If I could have made it more clear? Idk why this has bugged me so bad, normally I am over things in an hour or two and move along. But for some reason this entire even has haunted me these past 2 months. I just want some other opinions since I was alone on this, and there were really no other witnesses to what happened.

So Those of you who do endurance, trail ride off property much more than I do… Did I Handle this right? Wrong? Could I have done anything differently to have changed the situation?

Thanks

What do you think you did wrong? What’s wrong with passing people on the trail? What am I missing?

Paula

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What do you think you did wrong? What’s wrong with passing people on the trail? What am I missing?

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I just feel I could have been better at announcing my passing, I am not sure if they heard me either time. I just wonder if I could have approached the passing differently.

It was NOT YOUR FAULT the rider didn’t control her horse, and that woman knew it, and took her wounded pride and embarrassment out on you. Next time find your inner bitch and tell the person outright her inadequacies are not your problem and if she can’t control her horse she should stay home.

AND you would do well to speak to the management of the ride and let them know you didn’t appreciate being threatened for being the innocent party.

You were more than polite, and gracious to a fault. Sadly, you met up with a flaming jackass. So toss it out of your mind, and rest easier. We’ve all encountered flaming jackasses out on the trail. They’re a sad fact of life - like ticks and mosquitoes. Annoying pests that needs to be either flicked off or squashed flat, and left behind without a second glance.

Word of advice: Next time don’t go after a loose horse. It could have caused you more problems if the horse had kicked at you, your horse, or gotten injured while you were in control of it. Only if the rider is comatose on the ground, and alone, you might want to think about going after the horse. Me, personally? I wouldn’t. Too much risk.

BTW - that woman could/would have been disqualified at an endurance ride for unsportsmanship behaviour.

You’re fine and the fact that you’re still concerned means that you are a good and thoughtful horseperson. I find that people (horse folks or otherwise) who want to loudly blame others do so because deep down they know it’s all their own fault. Plus, fearful and ignorant riders are usually the worst in taking responsibility for themselves. Frankly I wouldn’t have risked going after her horse! But you were nice…

One time I was in a NH group lesson with 3 other riders. As we were taking turns performing an undersaddle exercise under instructor supervision, one of the riders in my group parked her horse with drooped reins, not paying attention. As I passed by her with at least 20 feet and 3 other horses between us, her horse lunged out several canter strides to attack me/my horse. I ended up with huge bit marks and broken bones from her horse’s attack - all witnessed by the other riders and instructor. When I was well enough to go to the barn with a friend’s help, that same woman proceeded to yell at me and tell me how the incident was my fault. That her horse was defending itself from me. This verbal attack was witnessed by some of the folks who saw the physical attack. They all told her she was wrong and she started yelling at them. In the end her husband told her to “shut up” and he was most helpful from there onward. He knew she was a lawsuit waiting to happen and was lucky I wasn’t trigger happy about that. They didn’t have much to sue for anyway, but if she would have kept it up…

Sometimes you just gotta chalk this stuff up to crappy people - they’re everywhere. Sorry for your aggravation AND worry over others’ stupidity! Probably won’t be the last time either :frowning:

Don’t spend another minute worrying about or rehashing the incident. You were correct in your behavior, and the other woman (and her group) were flaming asshats.

No ~ you were not at fault ! Be proud of your horse and your ride !

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Not at fault …your method was sound.

Please re-think this …

Be Proud of ‘Rain’ and your ride !

  • any chance of a pic of your paint mare, ‘Rain’ ?

pplleeaassee ? I love paint mares !! My favorite of all !![/B]

Thank you all, ![](reat advice for if this ever happens again! I guess I am one of those people who just feels bad if anything bad happens when near by ha.

Zu Zu here are some of her :3
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Oh they were just being idiots. You are both gorgeous and I can tell by just looking at Rain that she never puts a foot wrong!!

Just a suggestion for you. If in the future you plan to attend trail rides that are basicly “pleasure rider” types you could contact ride management ahead of time and ask to go out first on trail. Explain that you want to use it as a conditioning ride only and that you will arrive early so you will be in the saddle early. I used to use some local pleasure rides for condifioning rides and ride management always let me go first as long as I was ready to go and went and asked first.

This worked well for me and the regular riders. There are plenty of novice riders out there riding with their “support” group who are only barely in control so it takes very little to rock their boat.

Wow! What a gorgeous horse and beautiful scenery.
As for the ride, it sounds like the horse was ticked off (justifiably so) at her own rider and dumped her. If I kicked my mare like that I’d probably never see her again. I don’t think you did anything wrong.

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You did nothing wrong. Forget about it. Now if you had gone blasting down the trial and passed without giving notice, then you’d have something to be guilty about. The woman and her friends are idiots.

I like the “flaming jackass” comment above and all others. You did everything reasonable. It’s a shame your good day was tinged with their boos and jackassery.

On the bright side, you had a good training ride. Take that away and let go of the rest.

What gothedistance and chicamux said…where I come from, you were MORE than polite. At a real endurance ride, I have been passed by cantering horses with no more than an announcement of “passing on your right!” and nobody thinks anything of it.

Thanks for pics ~ lovely mare ~ awesome partnership !

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Lovely mare !

[/B][B]You two look wonderful together !

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN ![/B]

Since this was an organized ride I’m assuming there was someone who was sending the riders out, recording departure times, etc. IMO that’s a great opportunity for the “official” to give the riders a few basics about trail behavior including safely passing on trails. On our local Hunter Paces the timer always gives a brief summary of what to expect on the trail, road crossings, jump go-rounds, etc. Something like that would help if you’ve got a bunch of people who may have been “brought up differently” about trail behavior, especially if you’re standing there for a couple of minutes waiting your turn anyway.

I haven’t competed in a very very very long time, but if you aren’t allowed to pass, even with staggered start times, just how does one expect to move up in time and win the race? What those people were saying to you made no sense whatsoever, of course passing safely, which you seem to have made your best effort to do, is allowed.

Now, if her horse was a bad actor in company then it shouldn’t have been out at all. I think on the hunt field a kicker is to wear a red ribbon in the tail as a warning, but if her horse decided to stop, and then take offense at your bellringing paint that’s her problem and poor sportsmanship on her and her group.

When I first started back riding we went out with my trainer’s assistant on little group trailrides and did our best to be polite to riders and hikers and bikers alike, call ahead, pull over and let people pass, share the trail, all that stuff.

If it’s a competition then you still have to give over if there is enough room, you can’t use the terrain to your advantage to block an opponent forever and call it unfair if the opponent outwits you and passes, although if that’s what they wanted to do then obviously their strategy needs a little fine tuning if you passed and she ended up on her butt in the dirt. It’s on her to be prepared for this. Next time let her catch her own horse.

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Thank you all, great advice for if this ever happens again! I guess I am one of those people who just feels bad if anything bad happens when near by ha.

Zu Zu here are some of her :3
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My GOODNESS! What a BEAUTIFUL horse AND turn-out!

No, you did NOTHING wrong.

She is gorgeous!
Forget those people if you can. I bet they cause trouble wherever they go. Not your fault!