Was Ramiro Z's semen ever frozen?

[acottongim]

I just talked to Hilda the other day and asked about Leonidas. She told me that he was still breeding but only to a very limited number of mares. I believe she has frozen but again, is picky about where it goes so not sure if she is actually selling it. I’d give her a call or email her and ask, esp if fresh is a possiblity!

Tizgane (who’s dam sire is Condus) does have frozen for the US, but limited. I think Kim posted that this was the last year for US breeders with him (double check with Kim as I may be wrong!!) and the only “discount” she is giving is in the ATA SSA this year. (Feb 1 - 14).

[LCR]

There is an article about the RAMZES line that led to the “C” line of grand prix jumpers at www.shagyasport.com click on the “News” link.
The success of the RAMZES line is remarkable, but what the majority dismiss is
50% of his success is the SHAGYA dam, JORDI. Breed a good TB mare to a Shagya stallion and you will see a perfect SportHorse type. Size,
substance, TB breed characteristics are kept, but what changes is the “mind”!
This influence seems to follow generation after generation. Find a good TB mare and produce your own RAMZES! Not impossible Yes, he is called Anglo Arabian, but Ramzes was Anglo Shagya. Interesting is that right now in the endurance world there are two full siblings that are winning races with Best condition awards that decend from the Habicht line which began with the Shagya LAPIS. Sport horse breeders should consider adding Shagya blood to their breeding programs as mares produced from this cross are welcomed by all the Warm Blood registries.

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=LCR;7944159]
There is an article about the RAMZES line that led to the “C” line of grand prix jumpers at www.shagyasport.com click on the “News” link.
The success of the RAMZES line is remarkable, but what the majority dismiss is
50% of his success is the SHAGYA dam, JORDI. Breed a good TB mare to a Shagya stallion and you will see a perfect SportHorse type. Size,
substance, TB breed characteristics are kept, but what changes is the “mind”!
This influence seems to follow generation after generation. Find a good TB mare and produce your own RAMZES! Not impossible Yes, he is called Anglo Arabian, but Ramzes was Anglo Shagya. Interesting is that right now in the endurance world there are two full siblings that are winning races with Best condition awards that decend from the Habicht line which began with the Shagya LAPIS. Sport horse breeders should consider adding Shagya blood to their breeding programs as mares produced from this cross are welcomed by all the Warm Blood registries.[/QUOTE]

Yes, believe me when I tell you I have researched Ramzes well.

But it really isn’t as simple as crossing a TB w/a Shagya. There have been a number of those crosses, but only one Ramzes. It does bear looking at that Jordi herself was inbred herself to both Amurath 1881 and Shagya II…horses that actually helped create the Shagya “breed”. These stallions were active in the late 19th century (Shagya II was foaled in 1828).

If you look at Jorid’s pedigree http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10295449
you will see how intensely she is inbred/linebred to these horses and other “foundation” Shagya horses.

In addition, Rittersporn (Ramzes’ sire) produced other “sporthorse” types, although none as successful as a sire than Ramzes.

I have no doubt Jordi’s intense breeding contributed to Ramzes prepotency as a sire, but I can’t really give credit just to the fact she was a Shagya.

Like any breed, all are not created equal. Not to bash Shagyas, because I generally like the breed, but I don’t find the depth & concentration of top-quality blood in most modern day Shagyas that I see in Jordi’s breeding.

[PonyTales]

I had a customer who bred 3 mares in late 1990’s. I could message you as to what vet clinic was used … maybe they could give you some leads ?

[LCR]

I purchased two TB mares with good pedigree and bred them to my Shagya stallions.
The cross was exceptional and many went to Hunter homes and ridden by 13 year old girls, they won divisional championships. In the southern CA. region and the midwest. No one knew they were part Shagya, but they certainly made an impression in the Hunter ring. They were great jumpers with good conformation, but best of all was the mind set. They loved to work, and were “partners” with their riders. Attitude and ability were above average. I had an imported stallion and have frozen semen. I can tell you his bloodlines in Babolna are equal to any of the stallions available in Europe. He was exported to South America.

[Edgar]

No it made it here but got thawed on the way. The next shipment never left Holland

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=LCR;7945004]
I purchased two TB mares with good pedigree and bred them to my Shagya stallions.
The cross was exceptional and many went to Hunter homes and ridden by 13 year old girls, they won divisional championships. In the southern CA. region and the midwest. No one knew they were part Shagya, but they certainly made an impression in the Hunter ring. They were great jumpers with good conformation, but best of all was the mind set. They loved to work, and were “partners” with their riders. Attitude and ability were above average. I had an imported stallion and have frozen semen. I can tell you his bloodlines in Babolna are equal to any of the stallions available in Europe. He was exported to South America.[/QUOTE]

I have no doubt they were lovely horses. But a divisional championship under a 13 yr old girl is not the same as a sire who produced Olympic winners in 2 disciplines and started his own line in 2 WB registries.

Again, I love Shagyas myself, but that’s not really what I’m trying to do here. Unless you have a Shagya who is a grandson of Jordi herself?