water for the barn

I want to set up a small pasture with run-in at home, but need to get water out there!

What are the options for putting it in? my tentative spot for a spigot is 300’ from the well head. The well does have a pump big enough to handle the distance, etc (new in 2014).

Running a hose from the house is not really an option once we hit winter.

There are 2 cisterns out there (which will be capped). Can I use them at all? I believe they are there from the original owner’s chicken farm in the 80s…

Do I put in another well? I assume that is $$$…

Is an actual residential water/sewer company the best option? or would it better fall under irrigation?

Thanks!

I would just trench a pipe line to the barn, we ran about 1,000 of piping to four different frost free hydrants … put electrical in to the barns at the dame time

We trenched about the same 300ft and put in a spigot. To do again I’d spring for a Nelson waterer for the pasture and a spigot for other needs.

Trench below the freeze line and drop in the water line; fill to about 18 inches, then run your electric in conduit. You will never regret having water and power farther away from the barn. We ran the line with multiple boxes and spigots to meet potential future needs as well.

… and if you trench, have cut off valves installed to segregate sections if there is a problem (well, when there is a problem)

We used a Lawn Sprinkler installation company to trench and drop the pipe in the ground… they had a break in their schedule and needed the work and had the staff --and their cost one the pipe was cheap as they buy tens of thousands of feet at a time. … ran the about 1,000ft, installed the four hydrants, tested system and back filled trenches in one day

Frost line here is measured in inches, not the feet we had in Kentucky

This can be a fairly easy and inexpensive DIY. But it does depend on basically 2 things as to “ease” of installation.

The first being where the well pump is located and the existing set up that needs to be tapped into.

Being in Virginia the location would need to be in a none freezing location. Our barn well, pressure tank, etc is located in a 4’ pit where the well was dug. It has concrete wall and a small building over it. The pit itself is quite roomy to work in and is covered with a 4X8 sheet of 3.5" solid foam insulation with sheet of plywood on top.

The freeze line in my neck of the woods in SE Pa is around 36" but I was only able to go 30"+= with some lines and have never had a line freezing issues. But all of my lines run in open sunny locations so even with a hard freeze winter the ground benefits from the solar gain from sunny days regardless of ambient temps. I would be very worried if the shallow lines ran under ground that received little to no sun.

Trenching to the plumbing location can be easy enough, If the plumping that you are tying into is located in a roomy workable location Because you will have to drill a 1" hole through the foundation X inches below the grade to get your pipe through. This will require a Hammer Drill and a 1" masonry bit. The drill can be rent and the bit purchased for around $20.

There are various size trenchers for rent in most locations. The ease of trenching 300’ depends on ground, flat, hilly, etc and what is underneath of it. The parts of NoVa that I lived and or spent time around is notorious for being rocky.

The first lines I put in around 1000’ worth I greatly under estimated how much time and effort the trenching would take. I rented a pretty good size machine also. It was nearly as easy or fast as the videos made it look. I also made the mistake of renting a machine on wheels instead of tracks. Which made getting up some small hilly areas problematic and strenuous. There is also a learning curve to these machines. “Tricks of the trade”.

The second 1000+ feet I trenched went much quicker using a machine similar to this;

http://www.gappower.com/Trencher-Rental-36-Deep-Vermeer-Chain-Type/item/TRE36

Most rental yards offer a very good discounted weekend rate, Friday afternoon to Monday morning. Contractors don’t work on weekends. Most people don’t just us “silly” horse people.

This is the standard pipe use for running waterlines on farms, 3/4" black poly. The less splices in the line the less likelihood of developing leaks. It’s cheap enough so having excess is not a deal breaker.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/100-psi-polyethylene-flexible-coil-pipe-3-4-in-x-400-ft

The various fittings needed to tie into the well line and hydrant are easily had and inexpensive.

The frost free hydrant cost around $50-75. Buy, use a brass elbow on the bottom of this to connect your pipe to. Nylon elbows are too easy to break/crack when installing and back filling.

No reason not to install an electric in freeze zone for tank heaters or future auto water. I would also wrap the riser pipe starting about a foot on the supply pipe around the coupling and up the riser. Just in case you encounter a long cold deep freeze period. The metal riser pipe makes for an excellent thermal bridge carrying the cold down the hole.

Use 12-2 “direct bury” for the electric line. It is called direct bury for a reason and does not need the extra expense and hassle of running it through conduit as others often advise. This comes in various lengths 25’,50, 100’, 250’ and up. It is on the pricey side of things. So you mostly will have to make one splice. Easy to do but do it well and use water proof splicing “kit”.

I made the mistake of placing one hydrant on the winter shadow side of a fence line with no heat tape. It is the only hydrant out of 6 that has frozen up on me during the odd deep freeze. I painted the pipe black to get the solar heat gain for the few hours the sun hit it. Makes a difference. At least I think it does. Kind of like horse supplements.

It is best to turn the water on and pressurize the line for at least 24 hours and check for leaks before back filling.

Back filling is a PITA. A tractor with a bucket makes it easier depending on how skilled the operator is. But back filling 300’ by hand is not that big a job. Getting the fill dirt tamped/tight over the line can be problematic. Filling a foot or so and then driving over it with a tractor, car or truck helps a lot. The “tighter” the fill dirt is over the line the better the insulation factor. But unless done REALLY well expect a certain amount of settling to happen over time.

Thanks.
I unfortunately have to cross under our driveway (gravel) and am somewhat near lines to our drain field…a whole another issue of finding someone to locate those to make sure we don’t damage that in the process.

I want a spigot and likely automatic waterer for the field. Power is debatable, I want to, but the cost just might be prohibitive. I have one quote on doing both at 7K…

We call our well man, he brings his ditch digger for the longer distances, his backhoe for short ones.
You could try them and see what they quote you?
Or they may know someone they can recommend.

We go 36" deep and have never had those freeze:

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What happens if there is a creek between the barn/well and where you want water in three pastures about 800 feet away? Horses are fenced out of the creek. No power on that side of the creek either.

Has anyone done solar?

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What happens if there is a creek between the barn/well and where you want water in three pastures about 800 feet away? Horses are fenced out of the creek. No power on that side of the creek either.

Has anyone done solar?[/QUOTE]

We have ditched under the creek and laid line there, that is still there a good 30+ years later.

Painful as the up front cost seems if you are going to be there any length of time spring for the automatic waterer. You will not regret it. You are paying for the hard part anyhow just to get the water there.

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Painful as the up front cost seems if you are going to be there any length of time spring for the automatic waterer. You will not regret it. You are paying for the hard part anyhow just to get the water there.[/QUOTE]

I just found the “horsedrinker”, non electric automatic waterer. Looks like a winner for us (~$500)

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I just found the “horsedrinker”, non electric automatic waterer. Looks like a winner for us (~$500)[/QUOTE]

Some really like these:

http://www.cobett.com/index.html

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Some really like these:

http://www.cobett.com/index.html[/QUOTE]

Thanks - those look workable too! Creating my list of stuff to decide between :stuck_out_tongue:

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Has anyone done solar?[/QUOTE]

If you have the money it is possible. Check to see if there are any other rebates offered in your area (if private residence farm the 30% Federal tax credit should be available, there is no cap on how much)

But realistically solar could be used to power lights (LED are low power consumption) but for other things such as powering a heater to keep water from freezing the size of the solar system required normally would be cost prohibitive … but it could be done,

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If you have the money it is possible. Check to see if there are any other rebates offered in your area (if private residence farm the 30% Federal tax credit should be available, there is no cap on how much)

But realistically solar could be used to power lights (LED are low power consumption) but for other things such as powering a heater to keep water from freezing the size of the solar system required normally would be cost prohibitive … but it could be done,[/QUOTE]

I’m debating using some solar lights around the barn area myself. After working on my trailer conversion I would have to agree that it would likely be too big an investment for someone like me to put up enough solar to do a de-icer.

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that it would likely be too big an investment for someone like me to put up enough solar to do a de-icer.[/QUOTE]

the storage of the power is often the issue, a storage battery looses about 10% of its ability with each 10 degrees drop in temperatures from 72F

An alternate or supplement to solar would a small wind tribune … at least around here the wind can be blowing all winter, it is usually only in the mid summers when we have a high pressure built up over us that the winds subside

If you have access to a backhoe you could dig a hole below the frost line and place a cistern … the use a solar powered pump to transfer or circulate the water
http://www.rainharvest.com/water-tanks-plastic/in-ground-cisterns.asp

We do have a cistern already out there… I keep wondering if we can use it for water for the horses but no one seems to suggest that idea.

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We do have a cistern already out there… I keep wondering if we can use it for water for the horses but no one seems to suggest that idea.[/QUOTE]

our horses learned to drink from mud puddles on competitive trail rides, none died

We built a new barn last year and had many of the same questions you do. We ended up tapping into our existing well with a separate shut off for the barn, it was about 200 feet to a frost free inside the barn + an extra 30 ft or so that split to the Ritchie. Water pressure is better at the barn than in the house because of a slight downhill grade!

We had the excavators doing the dirt work for the barn trench with their excavator because in N MN, we had to go down 8 feet. The trench work cost will vary based on your location/depth but for me, it was about $1300. Then, I paid another $1300 to the pump service to tap into the old well, run the lines to the hyrdrant and Ritchie, place frost free hydrant. The single Ritchie (Ecofount 1) was about $1100 with me doing the work myself - including cement pad. So, all in all, about $3600 for a frost free and one Ritchie.

I would also advise a separate trench for your power line. If you ever have trouble with the water, you DO NOT want to contend with power 18 inches down when trying to reach the water below it. I went 18 inches down over 350 feet on a different path that was more direct to the fuse box in the house and it was under a grand - the same excavator did it for me.

Only thing I wish I did different would have been to put automatic, heated water into the stalls. Tired of heated buckets after one winter…

It’s not cheap but we tied the whole barn build into a refi of our house so with the new lower rate, the money we spent on the barn didnt hurt the monthly mortgage as much as you’d think. Hope this helps!