Ways to get dog owners more involved in breed events or breed clubs

OP, I’m active in both our National and Regional clubs.

The National club membership is mostly breeders and exhibitors in conformation. There is a growing number who also do Obedience and/or Rally, and quite a few active in AKC or ASFA lure coursing.

At our National Specialty, we do have a person designated as the Newcomer Education person (I did it one year), and they make frequent announcements on the loudspeaker about what and who this is, point me out, and I stand up and wave. I have various handouts on things like how a dog show works, and explain what is going on, what the handlers, hounds, and judge is doing, and answer any questions. I just try to be friendly and talk to them and make them feel welcome. We’ve also done this as a booth- I think it works better if you actually sit with the people and chat with them.

We have a separate Hospitality for Foreign Visitors, that person welcomes them offers any special help they need. I did that once too.

National Specialties are four days long. They could probably do all the judging in one or two days, but it is spread out because of all the activities. Usually there are at least a couple of health seminars, a grooming seminar, a handling semi at, and one or more judging seminars, both “hands on” with opportunities to go over and gait hounds, and lecture/PowerPoint type presentations. These are usually open to everyone who signs up, not just judges or prospective judges.

There is a separate Judges’ Mentoring, where you sit with prospective judges and talk them through a few classes, and then have to sign their AKC Judges’ certificate if they are at that stage. We have a whole committee who does that, and we encourage them to rotate among us so they get some different perspectives and hopefully reinforcement on important points

The health lectures sometimes include a pizza dinner. There is also a dinner combined with an auction of both breed-related things and things like vacation places. Then at the end is the Judges’ Dinner, where some awards are given out and the judge gives a talk.

Whoa, this was longer than I thought, I’ll do a separate post on the Regional Club.

I will mention though that we also have a Regional Liason committee that coordinates things between the Regional and National Club.

OP, I cannot believe that your National Club does not have a Breeder Referral list! We have two lists, one is just Breeders, and the other is “Contact List” which includes, but is not limited to active breeders. It includes people who are willing to talk to people about the breed, answer questions, and if appropriate, invite people to their homes to meet their hounds. Some people think they want one, but have never actually seen one in the flesh. Then if they are still interested, the contact people can refer them to a breeder.

We do encourage the people who are on these lists to answer every inquiry promptly. In fact, this is why I took myself off both lists, I simply didn’t have the time to do it as well as it should be done. I still receive many inquiries but the volume has diminished. It can be very time-consuming to do this.

So the National Club membership consists more heavily of those involved with breeding, showing, and performance events. In contrast, my regional club consists mostly of owners who do not show or breed. Some have rescues, others have hounds from breeders but for one reason or another do not show or compete. Our twice yearly meetings are very well attended and we have lots of new members.

One meeting takes place at my local kennel club. We don’t even call it a meeting, we call it a “Gathering”. There is always tons of delicious food, a silent auction, usually a program of some sort that lasts about an hour- and often games. This year one game was everyone drew a slip of paper from a hat that had a term on it like “withers” “occiput” or whatever. Then they had to go stick it on a huge IW outline taped to the wall. Another game had people do kind of a relay race where they had to put an item of clothing on their dog.

By the way, people bring their companion IWs to these gatherings. They also bring them to march in several local St. Patrick’s Day Parades. We often have 20-30 hounds, who lead the parade, they “Guard the Piper” and we haven’t lost a bagpiper yet! There is also a breed information booth at the parade with brochures to hand out. The companion owners really seem to enjoy this. I know your breed might not march in a St. Patrick’s Day Parade, OP, but perhaps something French? Bastille Day walk, perhaps.

Other events the club has done include picnics, lure coursing practices, group dog walks, and several weekends where we stayed in cabins with our hounds and had wonderful seminars and walks all weekend.

I bet pet owners in your breed would like some walks and perhaps a demo or chance to try some of what is involved in a hunt test at a very beginner level?

Oh, I forgot to say- both National and Regional Clubs have outstanding publications. The Regional Newsletter is great, and members are encouraged and actively solicited to contribute articles and photos. Both also have active Facebook groups and websites.

One other successful event we had at a Regional was a match show, judged by three prominent breeders, who gave oral critiques to the audience on every hound. They did not always agree, and it was a very interesting experience although one that appealed more to the conformation people and breeders.

This regional club is not an AKC member, though we are going to seek AKC recognition, which I have mixed feelings about. I think you can have more freedom to do different things without it, and AKC clubs become so focused on putting on their regional specialties that I think other activities can become less important to the club.

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OP, I’m active in both our National and Regional clubs.

OP, I cannot believe that your National Club does not have a Breeder Referral list! [/QUOTE]

Houndhill - I thought you had said you were involved at the national level of your breed club. Yes, it’s true. We do not have a Breeder Referral list. Most regional clubs do, but many don’t even have websites…our regional club had one of the first Facebook pages in the country…3 years ago. Still, not that many have them. We really are in the dark ages in some respect. I’ll go to your breed club page to check it out - our website is ancient, our membership database is older than ancient…we have a lot of challenges to overcome!

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Houndhill - I thought you had said you were involved at the national level of your breed club. Yes, it’s true. We do not have a Breeder Referral list. Most regional clubs do, but many don’t even have websites…our regional club had one of the first Facebook pages in the country…3 years ago. Still, not that many have them. We really are in the dark ages in some respect. I’ll go to your breed club page to check it out - our website is ancient, our membership database is older than ancient…we have a lot of challenges to overcome![/QUOTE]

Yes that was a problem for us in the past, many of our members who have the most years in the breed also have the worst technical/computer skills, myself included.

Having really good people as webmaster and Facebook page moderators and newsletter/magazine editors is so very important.

If anyone would like to visit, here is our website:

http://www.iwclubofamerica.org/index.html

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Yes that was a problem for us in the past, many of our members who have the most years in the breed also have the worst technical/computer skills, myself included.

Having really good people as webmaster and Facebook page moderators and newsletter/magazine editors is so very important.

If anyone would like to visit, here is our website:

http://www.iwclubofamerica.org/index.html[/QUOTE]

Yes these sound like familiar challenges! :slight_smile: I will go back and read the rest of you posts later - I’m definitely very interested in all the details.

Looking for an orthopedic surgeon now for my bitch who has probably torn a CCL. :mad: Sigh.

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If anyone would like to visit, here is our website:

http://www.iwclubofamerica.org/index.html[/QUOTE]

Wow, I’m impressed. I wish ours was this nice.

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Yes these sound like familiar challenges! :slight_smile: I will go back and read the rest of you posts later - I’m definitely very interested in all the details.

Looking for an orthopedic surgeon now for my bitch who has probably torn a CCL. :mad: Sigh.[/QUOTE]

Oh I am so sorry! Hope you will get the help you need.

Wondered if it was the puppy…is your girl retired?

National Specialties are four days long. They could probably do all the judging in one or two days, but it is spread out because of all the activities. Usually there are at least a couple of health seminars, a grooming seminar, a handling semi at, and one or more judging seminars, both “hands on” with opportunities to go over and gait hounds, and lecture/PowerPoint type presentations. These are usually open to everyone who signs up, not just judges or prospective judges.

These seminars and talks are really interesting. Our breed club offers similar ones at our National… at the same time as the obedience classes. :mad: Very grouchy about this.

People will come to your club events if they are fun and if the people feel welcomed and like they had a good time.

So, how do you build that?

Fun days where you bring a dog. Maybe you have little seminars on introducing your dog to a breed-appropriate activity (frisbee, agility, obedience, grooming, handling, whatever).

Hands-on will be best - anything where they can interact with a dog is what they want to do most likely.

People who are there for the first time need someone or some activity to interact with so they feel like they’re in the right place, like they’re wanted and welcomed and like the event is for them, that they’re not intruders.

A fun get together could be as simple as “Let’s all meet at the park/beach/trail and walk our dogs together.”

Mentors can be a great idea. Pick a group of people who are gregarious and enjoy meeting new people and assign them to all the first timers and relatively new people who are entered. If it’s a public event, have a booth where people can come and interact with this breed of dog and talk to some of your friendly people about the breed.

You can have contests - like knowledge bowls for kids, maybe simple judging contests using dogs that aren’t showing. Possibly craft activities.

Any chance to get people to interact with your dog breed and the fun people in your area that know about it is a chance to bring in a new family. Encourage breeders to include a free first year membership for people who purchase animals - maybe your club makes that free or discounted to do.

If being part of your club is a fun social activity that involves the dog and ideally their whole family, they will come. If not, they won’t.

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Oh I am so sorry! Hope you will get the help you need.

Wondered if it was the puppy…is your girl retired?[/QUOTE]

Yes, she’s a retired bitch - 9 years old who either fell off my bed or crashed trying to get onto my bed the other morning, 4am. Some sort of freak thing and slipped. Ugh. There are a few surgeons in the vicinity; trying to find the best option for us. Thanks. Probably will resurrect the threads on TTA/TPLO here. :slight_smile:

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It would be nice if they could check in at the table and a junior or someone shows them around or they get a pamphlet educating them about what they are watching and how/when to approach breeders to ask questions (i.e. if they are about to go in the ring is not a good time!). [/QUOTE]

I love this idea of having Junior Handlers help be “ambassadors”. It would be good for both the visitor, and the junior! A great idea for a small conformation show; my daughter shows in juniors and she sort of laments that it’s only a few minutes and then you have nothing to do for the rest of the day.

I don’t belong to an all-breed kennel club, so I’m definitely thinking more about single-breed specialties or events that are not conformation. But still - that’s a great idea. I’ve stood ringside before at an agility competition and had no idea what was going on, and also have been to a field trial where I would have been completely lost if someone didn’t help me try to understand - there are so many stakes that it is really confusing.

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Encourage breeders to include a free first year membership for people who purchase animals - maybe your club makes that free or discounted to do.[/QUOTE]

This has been suggested before and we’re trying to come up with a new proposal - ideally where breeders don’t have to pay for the entire membership. If anyone else’s national breed club has a “new puppy” or “trial membership” program - I’d love to know how it works.

Here’s a new question - if you didn’t belong to a breed club already - how could we attract you? E.g. where should we “advertise” something to try to get new people to attend events? (Also perhaps useful to know that many regional clubs cover a large geographic area - my club covers most of New York State, so it’s not like we’re “local” to each other.)

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This has been suggested before and we’re trying to come up with a new proposal - ideally where breeders don’t have to pay for the entire membership. If anyone else’s national breed club has a “new puppy” or “trial membership” program - I’d love to know how it works.

Here’s a new question - if you didn’t belong to a breed club already - how could we attract you? E.g. where should we “advertise” something to try to get new people to attend events? (Also perhaps useful to know that many regional clubs cover a large geographic area - my club covers most of New York State, so it’s not like we’re “local” to each other.)[/QUOTE]

My “local” club covers Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina.

We have had events in all of the states except West Va, I think we have only a couple of members from there.

Our National Club has two types of Members, Full Members, who get to vote, and Associate Members, who get everything except voting. To be a Full Member, you have to have two sponsors who not only sign the application, but write a letter in support of the application. Then the application must be published in our magazine, and voted upon by the Board of Directors. Usually people don’t apply for Full Membership until they have been Associate Members for some period of time, I think it is five or seven years.

So breeders are encouraged to educate their puppy people about the club, and perhaps give them an application if they are not already members, but it would not work to pay their dues, because dues aren’t paid until the person has been published and voted into membership. But most puppy people would want to be at least Associate Members, if only because that is the only way they can receive Harp & Hound, our excellent magazine. You must be a member or judge of IWs to receive it.

By contrast, the Regional club is very open to accepting membership, I believe people just fill out a one-page form and pay the low dues and are accepted on the spot. The thought is that they will be educated and included in the regional club, and even if their breeding practices are not the best, they will learn and improve. The majority of the members of the regional club are not breeders, though, many have pet only, including rescue hounds. Quite a few join the regional club just because they are interested in IWs and are thinking about getting one, which we strongly encourage. Most of the breeders in this area tell anyone who inquires about the breed about the regional club, and of course direct them to the IWCA Website, which also has links to the regional clubs.

I think most IW owners in this area are members of at least the regional club.

I think this system works fairly well for us, but might not work in another breed.

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Looking for an orthopedic surgeon now for my bitch who has probably torn a CCL. :mad: Sigh.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hear that. My cousin’s dog had to have bilateral CCL repairs (I think they spaced the two surgeries out over four months.) Aqua therapy really helped the recovery for what it’s worth.

I’d love if my national breed association would count rally titles or titles earned with a PAL toward qualifying for membership (requires at least one OTCH, MACH, PACH, CH, TC or HC plus 5 years of competing the breed.) The way the bylaws are written it requires documented proof that it’s the breed, which I guess I get except I can still compete at the National Specialty anyway. I think it’s funny that it allows TC for a breed that’s not known of it’s nose but nothing with Rally (admittedly a newer sport and the bylaws have stayed the same for awhile) for a breed known for it’s biddable nature. More performance events at the national specialty would be wise too. Agility is always packed and they limit it to one-one and a half days.

I haven’t really been involved with any of the regional clubs beyond specialties but they do fun things like partner up with local rescues to march in heritage parades, breed picnics, hosting the national specialty last year, etc. In all, they’re very welcoming and since we have multiple regional clubs and rescues there are plenty of PALs at the performance events.

My only nit with doing things at the breed national speciality is that that for a new or potential owner, wanting to travel to a specialty might not be appealing.

I was a member of my original breed’s national club so I could get their quarterly magazine (yes, needed 2 member sponsors + annual dues). Current breed, no, I haven’t tried to join although I think I could round up the two sponsors (although not sure about that). Only reason again would be to get the quarterly.

Breeder directory is available on the national breed web page (which is where I found my first BT). Second came as a referral from friend.

Interesting to hear all the differences between clubs!

Our national and regional clubs are connected – membership in a regional club give you automatic membership at the national level and vice versa; although some regional clubs require members to be voted in and others do not, and some regional clubs charge additional dues. It’s really a cobbled system with different rules…quite messy, actually.

Up until next week, full membership in the national club was $30/year, $20 of which stayed with the national club, and $10 was forwarded to the regional club assigned. Members got a monthly magazine as part of their membership. But…the magazine costs are exceeding the $20/person per year, so the board voted to raise dues for the first time in …20 years maybe? and next week they will be $50/year and $40 will be retained at the national level.

Naturally this is producing all kinds of upset, even though it was voted on a year ago. And now the national club really needs to put itself out there as being “worthy” of the membership…it’s going to be a challenge. And somehow I volunteered to be part of this mess!

There are a few local clubs, but none near me for my breed. I’ve tossed around the idea of joining the national club, but haven’t as we haven’t started showing or coursing yet.

Most of the people I’ve met with Ibizans have been friendly and very nice about my being a complete novice, but the local dog culture near me (showing and performance) is not friendly or welcoming. We took a few local handling classes, tried a couple fun days with another group, and people were unbelievably nasty/clique-ish, going so far as to physically pull doors shut in front of us, open the fence around the training course while our dog was going, etc. No idea why - we were quite upfront with everyone that we’re completely new to dog showing, and to please feel free to let us know if we were inadvertently doing something wrong. Even complements on other people’s dogs were not well received.

All of that to say I will not be pursuing local clubs once we get into showing and performance, but will probably get a membership to the national club. Just not worth the hassle to me of dealing with rude or dismissive people for a hobby I’m trying to have fun with. I have been (with friends) to local clubs in other areas that would be a blast to join and have fun with, not sure why our area has all the lemons. :slight_smile:

IMO, nastiness can abound in any sport in any area :frowning:

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but the local dog culture near me (showing and performance) is not friendly or welcoming. We took a few local handling classes, tried a couple fun days with another group, and people were unbelievably nasty/clique-ish, going so far as to physically pull doors shut in front of us, open the fence around the training course while our dog was going, etc. No idea why - we were quite upfront with everyone that we’re completely new to dog showing, and to please feel free to let us know if we were inadvertently doing something wrong. Even complements on other people’s dogs were not well received. [/QUOTE]

:eek: I can’t even imagine that! WTF??? :no: Not only is it sad for you - but this is why people are afraid to consider conformation or join breed clubs.

Even though I’ve seen my share of “nastiness” in the conformation world - it’s not like that. What we see is behind the back snarkiness about top winning dogs. It’s usually connected with bitterness between breeders, to the extent that there are “camps” as to which group you might set up with. I try really hard not to appear to belong to any camp, but I can see how someone new might think I belong to one “side” versus another. I have also heard of people encouraging new exhibitors to enter with the hope of using them for points (e.g. “point fodder”) because they don’t have a quality dog. I have never actually seen this, but have heard that it happens.

But I’ve never seen people be mean to new exhibitors like that. Never anything even close to that. How awful! I hope that you find a group that is welcoming; even though I don’t think conformation is “fun” in the same way that hunt tests or agility is “fun” - it’s still a lot nicer when you have friends to hang out with and root for in the ring.