Ways to keep sheath from building up smegma?

One of my boys has rubbed the top of his tail nearly out and the only thing I can figure is his sheath being dirty. At first I thought it was due to a couple bug bites, but those have vanished. I cleaned his sheath, and it seemed a little better, now he’s rubbing it to high heaven again, and cleaned it again today.

It seems to have an inordinate amount of thick gooey residue very high up. He is cleaned regularly, and more so lately due to his itching. When you do it, he seems to really enjoy it, so I do think it’s uncomfortable.

Any way to prevent it from getting so much built up? It’s very thick and somewhat difficult to remove, not the dry crusty stuff you can just pick off. More like peanut butter. Ugh. Never has a bean, and again is done regularly, probably monthly or every couple weeks at this point. He is not a big pig, rolls no more than any other horse. He is intact but I don’t think that matters here.

Ideas??

What have you cleaned it with? Try KY Jelly.

Also, he might have pinworms, which will cause tail rubbing.

worms - if hes rubbing his tail could be pin worms or irritant to flys and midges so wear a fly sheet with a tial section in to cover his top part of his tail, as some horse are bothered by fly so much so, that they get sweet itch which can effect the tial top part or all and the base of the mane or all the mane and body

fly mask full fly sheet with neck cover thats included not as a seperate
and tial section
this will help to stop the rubbing and protect him from the fly which are biting him

unless for medical reasons dont clean his sheath its un natural and you will be putting more dirt and infection up there as dirt from your hands or gloves or some horses find that they have an alligie against laytex or rubber gloves etc
will cause more harm than good horses are self clean,

however if bothered and want to help it a little than you can spray a spot of baby oil or wipe round the rim of the sheath with a spot of baby or ky jelly to help keep it moist

but dont attempt to clean unless advised to do so by a vet

Have to agree with GLS - probably pinworms not a dirty sheath causing the tail rubbing.

And overcleaning can get you a reaction where the more you clean, the more goo builds up.
The PB consistency you describe sounds like a reaction to the irritation of you manipulating the area too often.

Geldings do not need to be pristinely clean without a single fleck of goo.
Beaning - if there is one - is fine, but leave off the scrubbing.

Another COTHer (Bluey? MistyBlue??)suggested slathering inside the sheath with KY jelly, leaving most of the day or overnight then flushing out the next day with a hose.
Works great for loosening the crusties and then rinses off most of the crud the next day w/o irritating.

Er…just don’t get that newfangled self-warming version of KY… :eek:
& ignore the Look when you checkout at the drugstore with 3 or 4 tubes…

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Have you considered that the whole a$$ular section of the horse, not the sheath, is the itchy part?

I hate a rubbed tail, so I keep things clean back there. I clean back there, the “t’ain’t” and the underside of the dock with listerine on a towel every few days in hot weather. That does the best job of anything I have found.

Otherwise, I don’t know how to keep the sheath from changing. I clean out as needed.

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I’m glad I’m not the only one with a gelding who has an unusually dirty sheath. I wish I had advice for you however, :frowning: but I’m in the same boat.

I’ll share my story, sorry if it gets long, but this has been bothering me for years now and neither I nor my vet know what to make of it.

My morgan gelding gets thick gooey smegma built up very fast too. Not on his penis, his penis stays relatively clean, just the entire ‘cave’ of the forward section of the sheath.

He has apparently had this problem his entire life, and with his former owners his sheath was never cleaned, so its not a case of overproduction due to over cleaning. When I first got him, he had a rat’s tail from rubbing, and the tip of his penis was always sticking out. Wasn’t until having him for about a month, I went to stick my hand in there to check things out, and discovered his sheath so thick and full of caked on smegma it was falling out in clumps.

Not crusties, not flakies, thick heavy clay-like goo. Imagine taking a handful of brownie batter, smearing it around in there and letting it dry a day or two. I’ve never heard or encountered such a thing before.

When I got the first layer off the goo off, he was so relieved. When I went to the bottom layer, he started to kick. I gently inspected, and the smegma had been built up for so long, it was almost attached to his skin and the skin was cracked and tender spots. Poor baby. It took me a week of small amounts of gentle cleaning to get most of it out.

Since then, I have restrained myself to weekly picking of clumps and only cleaning when he begins to tail rub, because I do not want to stimulate more production with over cleaning. He gets cleaned about 4x a year.

He is very very very grateful to have his sheath cleaned. Though my boy does have very muscular ‘hams’ and bugs and grit does get caught in the folded skin from the back of his sheath up to under his tail, I’m pretty much convinced that the 90% of the reason he tail rubs is his sheath. He’ll go seek out bushes to stand over and itch his sheath, and I have to make sure I hang his hay bags high and tight, otherwise he squats on them and uses them like a loofa on his sheath (I have a photo someplace, I’ll dig it up).

Anyhow, I have not found out what to do about this problem. My boy is a dark liver chestnut, he is thin skinned and extremely sensitive overall. He is IR (and I sometimes suspect PSSM or very early Cushings) and I have to manage his diet very carefully.

He does get daily oil, cocosoya and wheat germ, it keeps the scalp under his mane and tail from becoming extremely dry and crusty. I do often wonder if the oil is contributing, but then I remind myself he’s had this problem since before I got him. And in his former life, he lived out with cows for years, basically ignored, eating grass with the cows and hay in the winter, no grain ever, no supplments, etc.

I don’t use Excalibur, there is something about it that I think stimulates more production, and its not quite strong enough to cut through this thick goo. The best I have found to use is Novalsan scrub, but its ungoldly expensive, but it does cut the grime without being harsh. I usually use baby version Castile soap, which works well too (but then I hate the slightly floral scent that lingers for weeks, it grosses me out). I was once desperate enough and used Dawn, it did work but no better than more gentle Castile.

My boy’s production seems to be triggered mostly by the skin getting irritated or dry, but I also think from any attempts at scratching. In the winter time, since I rough board and have no hot water or warm and dry barn, just a run in, I clean with mineral oil and though counter-intuitive, it actually does a good job. When I clean with soap in the summer, if he feels dry, I slather coconut or jojoba oil inside. Oiling the skin seems to buy me an extra few weeks, so I can clean less.

Really, I restrain myself, I know over zealous sheath cleaning does more harm than good.

In the end, my gut is telling me my boy’s problem is somehow diet related, but I can’t figure out what or why.

Sorry for the novel, this has been bothering me for years and I still just don’t know what to do about it.

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Imagine taking a handful of brownie batter, smearing it around in there and letting it dry a day or two. .[/QUOTE]

Didn’t need that image. I have some in the oven right now. :lol:

ETA: There should be rules against using food groups to describe medical kinds of issues.

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I’ve had great luck using Cetaphil cleanser (or the generic) - it’s very mild and water soluble, but it does help soften the goo.

I can’t claim credit for this trick, but have long forgotten who taught it to me. This time of year, if you’ve got a cooperative horse, smear the Excalibur in fairly thickly. Then go for your ride. Let body heat and time allow the product to do its job. Then when you hose off your horse after riding, rinse well.

Try castile soap and a small, soft tack sponge. I have an older gelding that produces a crazy amount of thick smegma and sheath cleaners seemed to exasperate the problem for whatever reason. Castile soap keeps it under control and he acts less irritated, maybe it’ll work for your boy.

Sounds like you are over cleaning. There is a level of good bacteria that needs to stay. You say there is never a bean. Are you sure you are checking the correct area of the penis? I don’t suggest jelly or cream left inside as it seems to attract more dust and dirt.

Check for worms, Clean under dock and around anus everyday and try to limit exposure to gnats.

I never use Excalibur any more as I have had horses that really didn’t “like” it – made them itchier. I just use a vet lube product that is kind of like the KY jelly, purchased in bulk from the vet supply. If I can’t get it all rinsed out, I know it won’t cause a problem where any of the soaps or things like Excalibur, I’d hate to leave in there.

My guys also get itchy and scratch their tails when they get bug bites down on the midline and sheath so this time of year I try to keep the bites to a minimum with swat or warpaint applied down there. Seems to help.

Also like someone else mentioned, keeping the under-tail area clean makes a difference. One of my horses gets a bit of diarrhea when anything changes (hay, grass, moon, whatever…) and will scratch his tail out if I don’t clean his green hiney off.

Overcleaning makes it come back worse.

All the most recent things I’ve been reading say, like GLS says, not to clean your geldings because it is cosmetic only and actually can cause harm by removing the good bacteria. I must say, that is a useful medical finding! I don’t mind an excuse to stop sheath-cleaning.

If you have to clean, once every 6 months is the most I would do it.

And, I completely agree that tail-rubbing usually comes from worms, not sheaths.

FWIW, my vet uses Dawn dish-washing detergent. If it’s good enough to get the crud off of wild animals caught in oil spills, it’s good enough to clean a sheath. Rinses easily too.

My boy gets a lot of goo as well. Another vet said it was from too much yeast so she had me put yogurt (and she made sure to tell me to use plain yogurt) on it for a week. Yeah, I got some looks for that little endeavor and I don’t think it helped much…

I HATE excalibur. Use KY (generic works fine) and put it on before a ride. Clean well afterwards. From there on out stick the hose up there and flush it out whenever you hose him down or give him a bath.

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buck22, I own that horse right down to the sensitive skinned chestnut/liver color. Actually, his sheath stinks on top of it and he gets some smegma smeared on the inside of his leg when he lays down. Ick.

He doesn’t really itch his tail though, but I have owned him since he was 15 mos old and try to keep his sheath moderately clean (yeah, I tried the not cleaning bit, not gonna cut it). But I also tried flushing his sheath out with 60cc of vinegar/water mix 2-3x a week to see of it was a pH issue. That did help a bit. Also like laurierace does, I do flush out whenever he’s on the washrack.

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Didn’t need that image. I have some in the oven right now. :lol:

ETA: There should be rules against using food groups to describe medical kinds of issues.[/QUOTE]

don’t ever go to vet school. Almost all pathology we learned was described in food terms. Blackberry jam, cottage cheese and chocolate pudding are a few that spring to mind…

I have plain mineral oil in a little squirt bottle in my tack tray. Whenever Mr. Happy drops down, I squirt mineral oil on it. When he goes back in his cave the oil and warmth self-cleans Mr. Happy. I never have to manually clean my horse’s sheath anymore, just spritz with oil once a month max. It never gets dirty with this maintenance schedule. No more rubber gloves and worrying if I rinsed all the Excalibur out and some horses are allergic/reactive it it.

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don’t ever go to vet school. Almost all pathology we learned was described in food terms. Blackberry jam, cottage cheese and chocolate pudding are a few that spring to mind…[/QUOTE]
bb jam and cc I’ve seen personally, but chocolate pudding? I can’t even imagine. I don’t want to imagine :lol: I like my chocolate pudding memories just the way they are

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[QUOTE=DMK;5653232]
buck22, I own that horse right down to the sensitive skinned chestnut/liver color. Actually, his sheath stinks on top of it and he gets some smegma smeared on the inside of his leg when he lays down. Ick.

But I also tried flushing his sheath out with 60cc of vinegar/water mix 2-3x a week to see of it was a pH issue. That did help a bit. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, my gelding doesn’t stink stink thankfully, but when I stick my hand in there and pull junk out you get a hint here and there. Thats why I hate fragranced soaps :lol: the wafting of sickly sweet smell literally turns my stomach. Reminders of my youth going camping for week long stretches and bringing girly scented toilet paper for the latrine. After a week, the combination of days old latrine and floral scented tp was enough to have me dig a new latrine :lol:

The vinegar suggestion is an excellent one, as is the mineral oil squirter Lusolov, thank you! I’m going to give both a try.

And here is the boy wonder in action, yesterday I caught him over his favorite itchy bush:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/d%20itchy%20sheath/03f08a4e.jpg

and this is last year, pictures from my phone, sorry so blurry but I couldn’t stop laughing, I doubled over and fighting for air when I saw his eyes roll back in his head in ecstasy. Needless to say, haybags don’t get hung that low any more, way to easy for him to get a leg in one.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/d%20itchy%20sheath/017ed502.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/d%20itchy%20sheath/c03d35ee.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/d%20itchy%20sheath/89b30355.jpg

If for any reason this horse encounters a stack of haybales, he literally climbs them and looks like he’s making love to them :lol:

Thanks for your help everyone. OP, sorry to hijack.