Ohhhhh, I hadn’t considered that… It kind of seems like a silly rule, but that’s a great question.
Oh great. Flat classes with hunt caps. Non Astm. Wenglish (western English) equitation etc. uuggh.
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I highly doubt that. The exact same trainers, horses, and competitors will be there, so I don’t see how the competition will change much at all. Robie said on the Plaidcast interview everything will be run exactly the same. I think the only real difference will be that it won’t go on a horse’s USEF record or count for USHJA points.
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Not that I have heard of. I think this winter circuit will be “Grand opening” for the facility.
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Prize list is out and there isn’t any of that.
and most places specify ATSM helmets required for legal reasons
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From the rule book Maybe you read if differently.
137. ENGLISH ATTIRE - In the Hunter Under Saddle Class, exhibitors and judges should bear in mind that, at all times, entries are being judged on abil- ity and performance rather than on personal attire. However, riders should wear hunt coats of tradition- al colors such as navy, dark green, grey, black, or brown, free from adornment which in the judge’s opinion is overly distracting, breeches of traditional shades (buff, khaki, light gray, rust or canary), high hunt boots and black or brown hunting cap is manda- tory. A tie or choker is required. Gloves, spurs of the unrowelled type, and crops or bats are optional. Hair must be neat and contained. Judges must penalize contestants who do not conform.
a) It is mandatory for riders in all Hunter, Jumper and Equitation Over Fence classes, including Hunter Hack, where jumping is required and when jump- ing anywhere on the competition ground to wear properly fastened protective headgear that meets ASTM/SEI standards or equivalent international standards for equestrian use. The helmet must also be properly tted with harness secured. It is optional that any exhibitor may wear a hard hat with harness in all classes. It is mandatory that all youth wear an ASTM/SEI approved hard hat with harness during all English classes including at and over fence classes. It is recommended that amateurs wear an ASTM/SEI approved hard hat with harness in all English classes.
Regarding Atl hunter’s post about warmbloods not being able to register with NSBA:
This is incorrect. Any horse with a microchip and a couple of photos can be registered with NSBA. It has been this way for two years, and in fact there was a warmblood winner at the 2020 NSBA World Championship show. Another interesting fact is that NSBA has no mileage rule.
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Interesting, thanks.
How does the cost for the NSBA shows compare to USEF shows? And do they offer similar classes for hunters and jumpers? Or what do they offer at those NSBA shows?
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Thanks!
While that’s all fine and dandy and I do want to see it I wouldn’t go there all the way from TX for a non-rated show.
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It looks like the FL WEC shows are the test case for all of this. From the WEC info, it looks like costs are similar to the USEF weeks, and classes are as well. Very similar to the prizelist I remember from WEC in Ohio when I did that, but with more prize money on offer.
I wonder if NSBA is trying to position itself as an alternative to the USHJA, in a move to put pressure on the milage rule. I can certainly see the appeal of the prize money, too, since people have been clamoring for that for years. But even with $$$, I can’t see shipping to FL for what’s essentially a schooling show at this point–even hauling to WEC Ohio for that wouldn’t be something I’d consider.
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Yup. I will say, we were looking forward to showing at WEC, but will now only be doing the first 2 weeks that HITS isn’t on and then going to HITS. WEC has a lot of tiny fees that add up. My barn mate did a quick comparison and it was $861 a week (3 classes) for WEC and $520 a week (4 classes) for HITS, $250 of that difference coming from the Classic at WEC, then a more expensive office fee, EMT, and mandatory nightwatch. I’ve said it before- it costs me more for the fees at WEC than my actual division. We still love it- but they certainly hit you with fees.
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Mandatory night watch is a bit excessive.
The prize list includes all the same classes as a “regular” “A” USEF show, missing some USEF specific equitation and derby classes. Also, does anyone know if there is any record of these shows? Will results be posted on NSBA websites? This would be nice for green ponies to show at height, at a nice show, but not break green status.
Now that’s a very interesting idea. I would think the same concept would apply to green hunters.
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Can you share the link to the prize list?
You can also register horses with NSBA if they have a microchip
https://worldequestriancenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/WEC_OcalaGuide_WinterSpectacular.pdf
i couldn’t find it on their website so I Googled.
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Green status, amateur status, mileage rule, safe sport monitoring, drug rules, illegal tack, horse welfare, etc.
Yeah, gee, I can’t think of a single problem with shows sanctioned by an organization that won’t even publish their h/j rules until one month before a 10 week circuit. Not to mention the implications on the USEF rules and their need to now manage against a separate circuit. Can’t wait for every rule in the USEF book to have to specifically include mention of “any circuit” or “all shows.”
Say what you will about our much maligned national governance organization, but they essentially are responsible for policing a bunch of lying, cheating, assholes. Why else would there be a 10 page rule on amateur status?
There is zero chance (ZERO) that NSBA will be prepared to regulate a show like USEF. There is also zero chance (ZERO) that USEF will be able to police how what happens at these shows impact their own competitions. What a “great” way to show without breaking a green status. Or as an amateur without being an amateur. Or a horse on a little extra bute and dex with some gaba and maybe ace thrown in without a care for long term implications on your USEF standing. I know someone mentioned there is reciprocity on safesport, but the logistics of an organization like NBSA on sanctioning such thing is mind boggling.
As a person who saw all of this, and more on my local circuit, I flat out can’t believe anyone would be in support of this fiasco. Especially with the hand wringing that goes on on this forum over safe sport, and drug rules. We are talking about an unrated schooling show on a national stage.
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