Weird scabby lump things near coronet?

I wanted to resurrect this thread because my 3/4 TB-1/4 draft mare has one of these round crusty things on the outside of her hind pastern about an inch above her coronary band. The sock is white and it’s slightly smaller than a dime. I don’t care about it cosmetically, but the last time she scraped it off (I assume from rolling or laying down) it started to weep serum. I washed it with soap and water, applied betadine and then anti-bacterial ointment. The next day she had a bad case of cellulitis :frowning: So benign neglect came back to bite us.

My farrier suggested putting Compound W (wart remover) that is salicylic acid on the crusty spot. Has anyone tried this? My main concern is not cosmetic, it’s about the crust breaking off and causing another infection!

I can’t believe I missed this the first time around. I’ve also got one with this stuff. Healed them up last year by keeping them wrapped with medical honey, but it took FOREVER. And then they came back over the winter. So frustrating. Also a TB!

I have a 23 yr old TB that must have this exact same thing. Hind leg, on his black one rather than white (which is opposite of traidtional ‘scratches’) and i have tried EVERYTHING and can hardly get the scabs to come loose. And this is going on over a year. He has a long crusty chunk along the coronet band that got really gross and weepy at one point. Good lord I’ve been fretting and fretting over this crap - do I just leave him alone?!?! hahaha

I think the general consensus seems to be let them alone if they are not causing problems or getting too big. My TB had them until the day he died; I agree with others that there must be an immune tie-in of some sort. In my guy’s case, they showed up when he was older and NOTHING topical made them go away completely.

What did seem to help us when they got really big was to wash them with no-additive dishwashing soap with chlorhexadine gluconate. The dish soap cut through the greasiness, and the chlorhexadine worked on any crud. I’d dry them thoroughly and either put zinc oxide on if was going to be damp, or spray a silver-based topical if it was dry. He also lived in a little rubber fetlock ring to prevent him from interfering and knocking them loose in the field, even barefoot. That actually helped quite a bit. Whether any of that did any good, or just made me feel proactive, I don’t really know. As much as I miss him, I don’t miss fretting about those dratted scabby knots!

Well here we are 3 1/2 years since I last posted. Absolutely nothing has changed with my guy. We still have exactly the same crusty scabs in exactly the same spots. I don’t think I mentioned earlier, but one of the spots is where an abscess exited on the back of his heel (at the coronet band), and that one is the only one that still resembles the wound that caused it.

In the meantime my vet has tried several things including topicals and lasering the spots. And the scabs are also suspect to have caused a bout of cellulitis each year. Same week (early July) 4 years in a row. The horseshow vet at the show it happened at one time pulled off one of the scabs, smelled it, and said, “yup, there’s your culprit.” So that leaves me torn about whether to peel the scabs off periodically or leave them be. When I do peel them off, I coat the open “sore” (or whatever you would call it since they don’t bleed) in Nustock or some other relatively heavy ointment that will stay in place for a while.

Actually, that has me thinking. I used a topical ointment for a couple of sarcoids on one of my mares, and I wonder if that would do anything? I might try that once we get past show season.

Revisiting this topic-- my chestnut TB mare developed the same type of crusty scabs right above her hind coronets at the beginning of the summer. In my five years of owning her, this was the first time she has ever developed them. They also seemed to itch her a little, which I didn’t note in my previous post that my old gelding also used to get itchy in that area when he had the scabs.

Equiderma lotion cleared them right up and they haven’t come back on her. shrug

Here’s my three and a half year update as well: little change.

Subject horse had a bout of cellulitis in January 2016 in one of the two affected hind legs. The cellulitis started higher up (groin area) and worked it’s way down the leg so something entering through one of the lesions may or may not have been the direct cause. I am sure the crud does make the affected legs more susceptible. Knock wood, he has only ever had the one bout of cellulitis.

Horse has been on paddock/pasture turn-out since July 1 of last year. Arrangement of paddocks/pastures at facility and lack of a wash rack have made it very hard to do anything to the crud on a regular basis so I have actively practiced benign neglect (oxymoron?). Based on both my and barn owner’s observation, crud has been more “stable”. Lesions are more consistently dry and crusty, less frequently “active”. Active periods are characterized by quicker buildup of lesions, the infected smell @PNWjumper alluded to and puffiness in the ankles. The increased movement from living out 24x7 may also be helping overall.

I tried the Silver Whinnys product from Sox for Horses in summer of 2015. They showed promise. There are anecdotes and testimonials of this product resolving some long term cases. But, per usage instructions (and common sense), the sox need to be changed regularly. I could get them on over the hoof, but getting them off was another story. Did I mention that horse has trouble holding up his hind feet? I gave up because it was just too hard on horse and me to get the sox off when it was time to change them. I made another attempt with the Silver Whinnys after pulling horse’s hind shoes in early 2017. I found it was even harder to get sox off over unshod hooves than shod hooves. The last time I tried to use them, I ended up cutting them off. I presently have in my possession two pairs of custom made Silver Whinnys with velcro. It is not feasible to use them as directed in horse’s current living situation, but the living situation has the potential to change so I have that waiting in my “aresenal”.

I have been dealing with and observing this condition for a dozen years now, and it makes intuitive sense to me that something in the external environment could be part of the cycle, and that keeping legs covered all the time with something safe and reasonably sanitaty (like the sox) could help break the cycle. .

@TakeAChanceinVA my horse also has that “long crusty chunk” presentation on the outside of the foot on left hind and a smaller section toward the outside heel bulb on his right hind. I found some veterinary literature that referred to this as “railroad tracks”, and when it a scab comes off intact, it does resemble such.

@PNWjumper, please let us know how it goes if you try to sarcoid stuff.

The TB mare I wrote about 3 years ago crossed the bridge this winter. She had an accident that caused large wounds on her front legs, which were healing well. Then cellulitis started in the hind leg with the main scabby knob. With three legs very painful, mare started to have cascading issues that lead to the decision to end her suffering.

No reason to think the cellulitis was related to the scab other than that I think it’s either an indication or a cause of immune issues in that limb.

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So just an update to my post a couple weeks ago about applying Compound W to a scabby growth on my mare’s hind pastern:

I started applying the liquid to the spot every other day, even though the directions (for humans) is to apply 1-2x daily. I was scared to aggravate the scab so played it more conservative. Within a few days, the scab was much softer and pliable than its normally hard self. To me this is a good sign because the softer the scab, the less likely it will catch on something and crack off and ooze. My mare has had cellulitis twice after the scab has broken off. I stopped applying Compound W last week since we were headed for a show and I was nervous to “cause a problem”. But scab has remained softer and almost looks like a small head of dark cauliflower instead of a smooth round eraser head as it has been…Will resume application today, but this is the most positive response I’ve had. I do believe this spot is our cellulitis trigger.

@PNWjumper im interested to hear how the sarcoid stuff works (or not). A few of the old guys at my barn are really prone to this and have a hard time healing. Tried about every topical thing. And yes if you get to aggressive with scrubbing even putting ointment on top doesn’t always prevent a bout of cellulitis.

I would definitely ask your vet if the product you are using for sarcoids is appropriate for this. Sarcoids are thought to be caused by a virus and many topicals used to treat them either increase immune function in the area or may affect DNA synthesis. I’m not sure if that would be something I would jump to if it responded in the past to a course of steroids. Were these lesions ever biopsied?

I put hind bell boots on my mare that had this constantly after a bout with cellulitis and they went away completely until I removed the bell boots.so I just kept her in them.

Bringing this thread back up. My mare with this problem is recovering from her second bought of cellulitis this summer, so resolving these stupid scabby spots has become a lot more pressing.

Last year I got them to heal by keeping her wrapped and using medical honey on them, but it took forEVER–like every bit of eight full weeks–and it was just a ridiculous PITA. Then they came right back over the winter :dead:

Now I’m trying an easier (for both of us) approach and applying gall salve twice a day. So far going well…scabs softened and came away quickly and I think I’m seeing healing. Fingers crossed.

Think I might try a fetlock ring when all is done to see if that will help.

Does anyone else have news to report?

Simkie, I’ve alternated between using Compound W (from the drugstore) and Equiderma equine lotion. Neither has completely eliminated the 1 scabby spot on pastern that my mare has, but it is much smaller, smooth and soft. Hopefully less to break/rub off and open up an avenue for infection! I figure this will be an ongoing part of my grooming routine for the indefinite future. FYI: My mare had cellulitis bouts last Aug and this June. I’m praying my attention to the scab will avoid more incidents. Guess only time will tell…

A horse at my barn has these - also an OTTB (she’s chestnut). She is pretty accident prone and tended to come in from turnout scraped up fairly regularly until she started going out with boots all the way around but (knock on wood) has never had anything more serious like cellulitis. Nothing has been able to get rid of the scabby lumpy bits, but they don’t really seem to bother her either.

That’s really interesting, Lusoluv! So the scab is still there, just smaller and better looking? I’m trying hard to get them to heal to smooth skin. I got there last year, but it was fleeting.

Compound W is an acid that works on warts by dissolving the tissue. I can see if being effective here if the scabby thing is some sort of skin growth–burn off the growth, then let normal skin heal the hole.

Lucie, I hear ya. I’ve had this horse 6 years. She’s had these things the whole time. This is the first year it’s mattered. Benign neglect is great, but after two rounds of cellulitis, it’s no longer benign :frowning:

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Have you tried the Silver Whinny Sox?

My goodness, I just read through this thread twice, because it seemed like surely I had posted one of the responses on here. My chestnut TB has had this on her hind legs for pretty much forever, and it tends to flare up this time of year.

It had seemed like it was doing pretty well with Equiderma application this summer (at least slightly better than the 102937928147903 things I’ve tried), but the minute I went away for a few days and it was just getting sprayed with Fungasol, the bits on her heel bulbs flared back up. A few rinses with a chlorhexidine shampoo, applications of Equiderma, and spritzing with the Fungasol (no picking at the scabbies, just putting things on top of them), and it seems to have abated again, hopefully for the year.

Curious that so many other folks have had TBs with this.

Compound W directions say it can be applied (to humans) a couple times a day until the wart is gone, and make take several weeks+. May sound silly, but I’m afraid to apply this daily - fearful to aggravate the scab too much and make it raw. Right now I apply it a few times a week and Equiderma on the in-between days. I should probably apply it daily and closely monitor, but this is show season and am afraid to jeopardize it. Especially after having the last 2 seasons ended by cellulitis. Maybe I’ll be more aggressive next month. But it sounds like no one has successfully eliminated these scabs, more like keeping them small, pliable and thus less likely to cause problems?

The OTTB I got a year ago developed these same scabbylumpybumpy things earlier this summer – on one hind foot near coronary band. They never change in size or amount – they are just there, status quo.

I haven’t tried any sort of treatment yet, but was thinking about colloidal silver. If it works I’ll chime back in.