Well bred TB mares at auction in MN (of all places!)

[Simkie]

Disclaimer: I know nothing about these horses at all, but I ran across this upcoming catalog sale and was fairly blown away at the pedigrees of some of these TB mares that seem very, very out of place among all the ranch broke QHs. I have no idea what this sale is like or if these mares are “at risk” but I know I would be tempted to pick one up if we weren’t all full up at the inn :lol:

Here’s the sale page

And the mares:

Queenoftheprom Out of a VIGORS mare. Vigors! And by Black Tie Affair, who we all know and love for sport. She is supposedly in foal to Rabih

Talibaan 3x3 Ribot, 3x3 High Voltage. Umidwar on the page. Fair Trial on there, too. Also bred to Rabih

Sipah I don’t think I’ve seen Tudor Minstrel this close ever in a horse this age! No mention of being in foal.

Pirates Bay Younger mare, by a Saddlers Wells stallion. Bred to Rabih

Pushtoon dam of Sipah above. Tudor Minstrel is her grandsire! She’s only 14! Wow! Bred to Rabih

Talibaan and Pirates Bay also have unnamed yearling fillies by Rabih in the sale. There’s another out of “Chinay” but I can’t find a TB mare by that name, so I assume they have it wrong in the catalog. (Oh, I bet it’s Chinar…she has a 2010 colt by Rabih. A Gilded Time! And more Tudor Minstrel!)

I am stunned at the pedigrees here–especially the Vigors “grandmare” and the Tudor Minstrel. SERIOUS firepower for sport horse breeders!

[vineyridge]

At least three of the TBs were consigned by a Dr. Hussain. Talibaan was bred by a Maryland person with the last name of Hussain, but a different first name from the consigner.

[Simkie]

All of them are consigned by Dr Rifat Hussain, and the yearlings were bred by him as well. Perhaps a dispersal? Although he’s bred others (like this colt) that are not being sold.

Oh, interesting: http://fmitchell07.wordpress.com/2012/12/25/have-a-very-inbred-christmas/

[vineyridge]

Dr. Hussain’s article on how to use inbreeding is VERY interesting. It also points out some pluses and minuses that are passed on by the dominant stallions that he mentions. For instance, RAN = slow maturing bone.

[NoDQhere]

This sale is only about 8 hours drive from us. Tempting!

[Simkie]

Say hi if you can come, Patty! I’ll have a faded blue Del Mar baseball hat. Blonde hair. Will likely be in my grey carhartt zip sweatshirt and jeans.

I seriously have no room, but it will just kill me if these guys go to the killers. I have NO CLUE if it’s that kind of sale, though.

[netg]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7784352]
Dr. Hussain’s article on how to use inbreeding is VERY interesting. It also points out some pluses and minuses that are passed on by the dominant stallions that he mentions. For instance, RAN = slow maturing bone.[/QUOTE]

It is very interesting!

Viney, is there a way to easily see how often a specific horse shows up in a horse’s pedigree?

For example, this caught my eye:

It is not necessary to limit yourself to these, but you may want to inbreed to St. Simon or Teddy, and you can do that by using animals who are inbred to these great Thoroughbreds. In fact, Tesio did do that when he produced RIBOT who has, I think, 16 or 17 crosses of St. Simon.

He also shows up 4 times on the first page for Nearco, and my guy has Ribot and Nearco twice on his front page. I just looked at the image of St. Simon on Pedigree Query, and it’s amazing how nearly identical his conformation is to my gelding.

(For reference: http://www.pedigreequery.com/tucson+magic )

[netg]

[QUOTE=Simkie;7784725]
Say hi if you can come, Patty! I’ll have a faded blue Del Mar baseball hat. Blonde hair. Will likely be in my grey carhartt zip sweatshirt and jeans.

I seriously have no room, but it will just kill me if these guys go to the killers. I have NO CLUE if it’s that kind of sale, though.[/QUOTE]

I’m curious to see what you report back! More nice TBs in the warmblood mix are always welcome in my mind, or just more nice TBs in general…

[Simkie]

[QUOTE=netg;7784913]
Viney, is there a way to easily see how often a specific horse shows up in a horse’s pedigree?[/QUOTE]

Yup!

Best option: pay for an account on pedigree query

Next best option: use the sport horse database (example: one of my mares)

[netg]

[QUOTE=Simkie;7784936]
Yup!

Best option: pay for an account on pedigree query

Next best option: use the sport horse database (example: one of <a href=“http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10838556&blood=10"a=”>my mares)[/QUOTE]

Oooh, cool, thanks! 10.9% Native Dancer, 9.5% St. Simon, 7.2% Galopin, 7.0% Hyperion

[D_BaldStockings]

you can get 5-gen TB pedigrees here
http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=5742901&registry=T&horse_name=Pushtoon&dam_name=Unjun Haree&foaling_year=2000&nicking_stats_indicator=Y

race history
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=4010758&registry=T

both simple reports are free

[columbus]

They seem to be older mares bred cheaply. I think he is moving mares he doesn’t need…hope they are in decent condition. PatO

[Simkie]

If I had to guess, I’d say that this guy owns part of Rabih and has therefore bred his mares to him.

While there are older mares being sold here, it’s FAR from only older mares:

From the bottom up:
yearling
yearling
yearling
14 yrs old
8 yrs old
6 yrs old
20 yrs old
19 yrs old

Only two older mares in a group of 8. Three mares that could make good riding horses tomorrow and three babies.

I hope they’re in good condition too, and that the sale is well attended.

[Elles]

How odd that these horses are in this sale!

[columbus]

he had horses at Canterbury

He has a place in SD

[Simkie]

Just a reminder–the sale is this Sunday!

[Simkie]

Oh, my. The old ladies are thin. Queen is maybe 2 on the henneke scale. She is so sweet.

[Simkie]

Four through. Pushtoon and the yearlings left. Pretty sure the others went to the killers. What a shame. (Unless you are 608, Patty? The number is way out of sequence so I think it’s a standing customer)

[NoDQhere]

Unfortunately, not me. I just couldn’t get away. Plus we had 60+ MPH winds yesterday, not good to try to drive across SD with a big trailer.

[Simkie]

Bummer, Patty Yeah, we had that wind last week, too. Thankfully today was pretty nice.

Here is the report on the mares:

#10 Sipah $525 to 608. Mid size dark brown mare. Not bred.
#11 Queenoftheprom $425 to 608. Tall chestnut mare, very thin perhaps a 2 or 1.5. Very sweet. Exposed, not confirmed in foal.
#20 Talibaan $400 to 608. Mid size dark bay mare. Thin, perhaps a 3. Exposed, not confirmed in foal.
#21 Pirates Bay $300 to 608. One eye. Good condition. Confirmed in foal.
#35 Pushtoon $450 to 608. Old injury on pastern that did not look to bother her. Good condition. Confirmed in foal. Bit of a snark on this one.
#36 Talibaan’s yearling filly. $250 to 608. Pretty dark bay. Huge ugly knee although looked sound on it.
#53 Chinar’s yearling filly. $550 to 239. Pretty dark bay. Saw her cribbing in the barn after the sale–wasn’t announced.
#54 Pirates Bay yearling filly. $400 to 239. Pretty chestnut.

The old ladies were skinny, especially Queen. The younger mares were in good shape to fat. Feet were long. Manes were long and unkempt. Yearlings were pushy. Everything was led through the ring in a halter.

We did bid on Queen, but my limit was $400. That sort of big ol rack of bones would have been a $100 horse through the ring in Colorado.

The bidding numbers were all double digits to 200s, so I think 608 must be a regular with a standard number. At the sales back home, those are kill buyers. I don’t know about here.

The two yearling fillies to 239 went to someone who spoke of racing them.

Overall, a pretty sad day. I hope I’m wrong on 608.