Why is it the rescues responsibility to clean up some hoarders mess?
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It appears as though the horses were homeless, so yes, a rescue. I understand you are trying to help a friend, but I’m not sure why that makes the rescue a target.
Your friend didn’t pay their bills or care for their horses. They now are dealing with the consequences.
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I think it’s the fault of the system, that the horses were allowed to be put by private citizens, or were put by authorities in a “fire from the frying pan” situation.
We should want to do better than that, regardless of why or how the horses end up in the frying pan
I’m seriously concerned that you are a judge. WOW
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More like a person making grilled cheeses on a crusty pan on a stove they know is a fire hazard and then complaining when the fire department makes a horrible mess putting the fire out.
People are coming to bat for this person but it’s unfortunate the ducks weren’t in line and the cry for help wasn’t put out in 2019, and the breeding immediately stopped.
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We do know she didn’t because she didn’t relocate the horses in a timely fashion
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The horses’ situation at the “Gentleman’s” premises is considered “a fire” because he had mud and round bales? Space and hay he no doubt had to front on his own dime.
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Was once renting a house for a couple of years, mid 1980s, never a minute late with rent, kept it nice. Sheriff showed up at the door one night with an eviction notice. Seems we paid landlord and he pocketed it instead of paying his mortgage for over a year…then fled the country. Sheriff also shared we were but one of many home renters and business owners screwed by the same landlord and his office was way behind enforcing these orders plus there was still ongoing court hearings and appeals. Plus Federal investigation of fraudulently obtained funds going directly overseas. Likely take several months or more to physically enforce the order but when they finally did get to it, it would likely be immediate.
That gave us some breathing room. We were out in about 8 weeks, squatted, I guess, but mowed lawn, paid utilities and had them switched off when we left. Heard it was finally foreclosed about 6 months later. Anyway, not initially unsympathetic to tenant horse owner.
Until, if I am understanding correctly, tenant was cohabiting with landlord when he stopped paying the mortgage??? Not so much sympathy.
I feel really bad about the horses here. Not their fault, never is.
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According to the docs filed by the horse owner, she and the boyfriend split up in 2020 and he moved into a separate apartment on the property. I have no idea if that’s true or not, but if the two were not getting along, it wouldn’t be very surprising if the ex (?) boyfriend was able to keep secrets from her.
The husband of one of my dad’s cousins took out a second mortgage on their house by forging the wife’s signature. She didn’t know about it until she found foreclosure paperwork in the mail. She confronted him, they got it straightened out, and she forgave him.
Then he did it again.
Some people can be pretty awful.
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Now that’s interesting.
I’m not sure if it’s better or worse to be keeping 40 head at your ex boyfriend’s farm in foreclosure vs a current boyfriend’s farm in foreclosure
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Here’s the thing. If your property is foreclosed and sold, you have to move out because it isn’t your property any more. That’s just how it works. There is a lot of lead time. There would have been years of turmoil before foreclosure served in 2019, then 3 years before property sold in April 2022 (according to earlier posts). Then notice of eviction on May 2022.
Foreclosed homeowners can be a problem because they usually don’t have a lot of assets and have just lost their biggest asset, their home. They often feel entitled and resentful and cause damage or drag out the process. And they may feel they have nothing to lose if they thumb their nose at the law and play delay games.
But play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This family managed to stay on the property for 5 months from the time of sale, rent free. This is pretty much the textbook definition of deadbeats.
It’s irresponsible for most people to have a herd of 20, 35 or 40 horses and to be breeding as well because there is no way most people can afford even basic hoof, vaxx, and worming on that many horses. Let alone do training and handling.
I expect she didn’t move the horses over the past years because it was financially and logistically impossible. It was an untenable situation and finally the house of cards collapsed and the consequences of her inaction caught up with her.
As far as doing a glowup on the horses and making them worth something, that would require 6 months to a year in a proper show barn. Flipping horses isn’t that easy. Saddlebreds, like Arabs, are a niche breed where high end individuals with show potential or records can be relatively valuable. But when they fall through the cracks, they lose all their value. And putting it back is expensive, time consuming, takes skill, and might never happen for most individuals. Brood mares are not high dollar horses in most breeds.
Generally the best way to make money on horses is to get them off your payroll as quickly as you can.
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Because half disappeared and the other half ended up at an awful auction known to be not a great place.
A fire because they aren’t, after, any better off.
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Exactly, who knows what the owner knew about the property foreclosure status?
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We know this… how?
Lots of assumptions in every direction here.
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The owner was granted the right to move her property off the farm which included the horses. Her boyfriend was present when the horses were moved and she knew where they went. The new owners were trying to move onto the property and had their own horses. But I guess you must think they should have boarded their horses and just let her keep squatting?
I am ASSUMING this post from KR is correct. It sounds logical to me. I don’t know how to do the quote thing.
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I do not know this person. I’ve never personally spoken to her, or contacted her in any way. Please don’t assume.
The horses have an owner. The rescue knows who the owner is. I believe that the rescue needs to go through some kind of protocol to actually own those horses. I am sure it varies from state to state.
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Where’s the source for the legal info on this? Still not sure why the rescue would be to blame?
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The issue here is that we do not know what the rescue knew, and when.
We do know that there was a lease, which means that the owner of the horses was not squatting. When you purchase a property without extinguishing any leases that are on it, you buy it subject to the leases. It’s just basic Real Estate law. So, if they bought the property with the horses already on it, clearly they knew that the horses were there, and they were going to have to work something out.
I do not believe, from what I’ve heard and read, that the owner of the horses received correct process.
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I am not “blaming” them. I am saying that if things were as you say, and the horses were “abandoned”, and the owner shows up- NOT what happened here- the owner clearly should have some re-dress- pay for the care, etc. as opposed to losing the horses entirely.
There was never a moment that the rescue did not know who there horses were, and that isn’t how they obtained the horses, anyway.
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But wasn’t the horse owner given the opportunity twice? First to pay 4500 to stay the eviction and then second to pay the daily rate of $20 per head to “Gentleman” to reclaim the horses?
The validity of the lease seems questionable. What’s the term in real estate … arm’s length perhaps? The actions of the court seems to support that the “lease” wasn’t considered valid.
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