I am looking for very basic averages for what a Buyer will need to budget for when looking for a jumper to purchase? I realize that there are a lot of factors that determine why X horse sells for $50,000 and Y horse sells for $80,000 (pro ride only, ammy ride, doesn’t vet). Can someone give me a rough estimate of prices for the following?
1.10 m Horse
1.15 m Horse
1.20 m Horse
1.30 m Horse
1.40 m Horse
1.50 m Horse
I think the ammy ride vs. strong junior vs. pro makes a HUGE difference. Also–are you looking to win on the A circuit. And do you care if the horse is a TB vs. warmblood.
If you go to www.bigeq.com you can run a search by jumping level. Yes, there are cheaper horses than those advertised there, but it will give you a decent ballpark.
You need a hypothetical situation to get any answers… i.e. do you want people to assume its a 15 y/o WB that is maxed out at the specified level, or a 6 y/o that has potential to move up?
I found this handy chart online, and although I realize it is all in theory, wondered if there is something along the same guidelines for jumpers? http://www.graemont.com/dollar.php
I second going to bigeq.com and having a look. Location, age, height, show record all play a part in this.
Too many variables. This is an impossible question to answer as stated.
Sorry!
Think of it this way… high ch/AA horse that does not show at rated shows, is older, a TB, a tough ride and won’t vet clean but can do the job could very likely be had for under $10k. Possibly well under. The consistently winning high ch/AA horse at WEF that is a good-looking warmblood, under 10 years old, sound, and a saint of a seeing eye-dog is likely to be around $100k.
Another example…A national-level GP horse that is a rail-getter, not an easy ride, much older and will likely need to step down soon even with maintenance, is probably on the lower side of the mid-five figures. An international quality GP horse that is not too tough can easily be seven figures, and the international winner? Palloubet d’Halong was sold for around $15m. (An observant COTH’r noted I originally had this for Vindicat W; his rumored price was slightly shy of $10m).
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I found this handy chart online, and although I realize it is all in theory, wondered if there is something along the same guidelines for jumpers? http://www.graemont.com/dollar.php[/QUOTE]
That is actually an ineresting read, but I wonder what the dressage people would say if posted over on their forum??? There are so many factors with price you would really have to narrow it.
The variables aren’t simply related to the horse, but also to the seller. I’ve used this example recently but it is germain again so here goes: my rider purchased a five year old from the breeder for 40k. He sold the mare three days later. He is young, relatively unknown as a dealer/rider but well connected and he received 100k. The mare was sold through a very well known Olympian’s barn with a price over 200k. The breeder could ask 40, my rider could ask 100, the Olympian 200k. For the same horse, same week. It really depends on too many factors to even give rough estimates.
The OP can correct me, but I think she wants a ballpark figure for an average jumper AT that level…not on the way up or falling fast on the way down. Just your average 9 yr old jumper at that level. Say AA level, a good performer that’s competitive and sound and not a tricky ride.
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That is actually an ineresting read, but I wonder what the dressage people would say if posted over on their forum??? There are so many factors with price you would really have to narrow it.[/QUOTE]
Just one opinion but I feel like that is surprisingly accurate. I would guess than 60-75% of the horses I’ve seen advertised match up to the level and prices listed. A very small percent are underpriced because of PPE issues, hotness, off breed, etc. and about 30-35% are overpriced because of the BNT name attached or the owner is barn blind and thinks their unproven 12 year old is still worth 30k.
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I found this handy chart online, and although I realize it is all in theory, wondered if there is something along the same guidelines for jumpers? http://www.graemont.com/dollar.php[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. There are always going to be a few above or below those figures, but I also thought it was pretty accurate. And it did not just discuss dressage horses going under saddle, but also included youngsters, older horses, horses that will not vet. I get that it is just a ballpark chart, but was hoping there is one similar for jumpers somewhere.
One issue in trying to ballpark prices is the difference between advertised price and actual, negotiated sales price. Horse is advertised at 75k, sells, everybody assumes it sold close to that amount, both sides are pleased everybody thinks that.
But it didn’t and it’s nobody’s business what the actual amount changing hands was, unless you sat at the table with them and saw the check or wire transfer its conjecture. Sometimes a seller pays more then the owner advertised it for as well and is none the wiser if they didn’t see the ad. Some lie to inflate prices too.
Best you can do is a range and with OPs levels, there’s going to be some overlap, especially the lower levels. Also a very big difference between Ammy ride or Pro only, age, size, breed etc within each of those levels.
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Dressage here, I think it’s anyone’s guess at any moment what a horse is worth.
Price is totally subjective.
I could have flipped my horse for 2x the purchase in 6 months just by some cleaning up, braids, and a tune up.
Riders are the key here to a successful trip and not. Horses default to the level of the rider.
I like that the Dressage standards included everything from a foal to a made horse under each price range. I think the same could be done for jumpers by someone who was knowledgeable in pricing (an agent or a professional). I am not sure that a COTH’er will have inside knowledge of so many price levels for such different horses.
I looked at the price I bought my young dressage horse for and it was absolutely spot on. The horse has now learned more and I agree with the appreciation shown on the chart.
Someone who has been involved in a lot of dressage horse sales, both in the US and Europe, drew that up.
I think a more accurate title would be: What can you buy if you have $xx.000 to spend?
I can probably do the $20,000 - $25,000 range.
(for horses being sold at an average barn. For horses being sold at an AA barn, add $10k - $20k for each horse under tack; young horse pricing will stay the same, since AA barns do not deal in yearlings, etc.)
An excellent weanling/yearling with good breeding
A very nice 2/3 year old
A good - very nice 4 year old, under tack, who free jumps 3’6" with ease
A good young 1.0m horse with ability to go 1.10m, who is still a pro ride
A good 1.0 horse that an ammie/jr can ride
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