What Brand of fence charger won't trip GFCI?

My 75 mile Zareba died as soon as the warranty expired. That’s a $200 fencer that died in year 3. I ordered a Parmak Mark 8 and installed it and learned the hard way that they always trip the GFCI (I called Parmak and confirmed this was the problem). Per the service department, Parmaks have to be plugged into a regular outlet. I’m not keen on another Zareba. Any suggestions?

My electrician refuses to swap the GFCI for a regular outlet because it violates code. We tried to do it ourselves and can’t find a regular or commercial outlet that fits the weather proof box (also bought a different weather-proof box and tried). Long story short, normal outlets are bigger than the GFCI.

I just need a hot fence. Yesterday. I’m going to have a founder if I can’t keep them on the dry lot.

I have no idea which brands will or won’t trip the outlet, but would a solar charger work for you?

Parmark makes a great solar charger. I have a Patriot brand solar charger that has served me well.

If nothing else, it can’t hurt to have one as a backup.

I’ve got a Speedrite, no problems with it ever. Honestly couldn’t tell you what kind of outlet it’s plugged into, but will check when I go out to the barn.

I paid $1,100 to run electric out there. By God I want a plug in charger! :wink: :slight_smile:

We’re so cloudy, especially in the winter. I don’t know how well solar would work.

One of my Zareba units used to trip the GFCI all the time. For unrelated reasons, I moved it to another location and bought a new Zareba unit. The new one has never tripped the GFCI in the same location but the old one still occasionally does in its new location. This probably isn’t very helpful except to say that sometimes the particular unit is the problem, not the brand, though that is good to know about Parmak’s.

We have an older Parmak, never had a problem with it tripping the GFCI. Also the Zereba has never been an issue with GFCI outlets. Always been “plug and play” for us in putting in a new charger.

Have you replaced the GFCI unit itself? They do “expire” with time, in certain locations, don’t last forever. We had to replace all the kitchen ones and upstairs bathroom ones. They were of the same vintage, put in with the remodeling. Hardware store told us this as we got the first replacement, had to go back and get more as the others also died.

Another option it to get your fencer repaired. You can send them back to the company of origin or to a repair shop. The repair shop number I got is for Brookside Fence Charger Repair, recommended on a couple farm forums by happy customers. I have two dead chargers I am planning to send to them. I don’t have a price comparison between the makers of your chargers and Brookside. I guess you could call both and ask if you know what went wrong with the charger. Mine “just doesn’t work now” which is not really helpful in asking repair pricing! Ha Ha

http://fencechargerrepair.com/

A fence charger ought not to draw 15 amps plus. I presume that’s the line capacity. If something is tripping the outlet then I’d suspect either a line fault or an outlet fault.

I could not find the input voltage for the biggest charger Parmak makes. I did find this and it has some information on running lines underground in the last few pages. http://www.parmakusa.com/download/Parmak_Energizer_Booklet_English.pdf

What did the electrician run to take power to the outlet in question? Was it correct and adequate? Has he checked the line for faults?

You might call Parmak and ask them what the input requirements for the charger are. The book says 110v but not the amperage or wattage.

Good luck troubleshooting!

G.

[QUOTE=TrotTrotPumpkn;8869706]
I paid $1,100 to run electric out there. By God I want a plug in charger! :wink: :slight_smile:

We’re so cloudy, especially in the winter. I don’t know how well solar would work.[/QUOTE]

That probably won’t be the issue - the fact that solars simply get weak over time has been my issue.

[QUOTE=DHCarrotfeeder;8870262]
That probably won’t be the issue - the fact that solars simply get weak over time has been my issue.[/QUOTE]

We live in the East TN and in the TN Valley I’ve had solar chargers go dead for want of sunlight to keep the battery up. We can go for 6-7 days in winter without appreciable sunlight. So TrotTrot’s concern is not unfounded.

G.

Wow, went to do some google searches to see if I could find anything for you and looks like many people have grumbled about fence chargers tripping gfci outlets :frowning:

https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+fence+charger+gfci&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS711US711&oq=electric+fence+charger+gfci&aqs=chrome..69i57.5759j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

What are the dimensions of your weatherproof box and the outlet and stuff? Maybe finding a “regular” outlet solution would be easier than a new fence charger?

GFCI is blowing for a reason. THIS IS YOUR WARNING that there is a problem some place that needs fixing. Like replacing a fuse or circut that keeps blowing by using a bigger or heavier sized one. That solution will let the electric system overload with the power being drawn, possibly overheat, to cause a fire or other problems.

Some point of the new installation needs attention to fix the issue, not a band-aid fix like replacing GFCI with a regular outlet. Did Electrician use heavy wire to run that distance to outlet over using smaller, cheaper wire? Perhaps the charger can’t draw enough electricity to work? Checking how much power is available at the outlet is not hard. Maybe power wire got nicked during installation, so power is shorting out someplace. Again, the GFCI may be bad, plastic dies with age. Was new in box but old sitting on the shelf a long time. Replacing the present GFCI could solve the issue or at least tell you that GFCI is NOT the problem.

Has charger been plugged into other outlets? Does charger blow those location or GFCI outlets as well? Charger may be a bad unit, needs to be taken back for another unit. It happens, shipping accidents, poor handling before your purchase.

[QUOTE=TrotTrotPumpkn;8869706]
I paid $1,100 to run electric out there. By God I want a plug in charger! :wink: :slight_smile:

We’re so cloudy, especially in the winter. I don’t know how well solar would work.[/QUOTE]

just a question, most electricians have no concept on how low voltage items work such as fence charger… the service ground and the charger ground are they far enough apart? You could be getting cross feed between the grounding rods.

GFCI’s are not hard to replace. You don’t need to hire an electrician.

Turn the breaker off to that line, unscrew cover, take pic of what lines go where. Unscrew old GFCI and install new one.

I’d rather swap out a GFCI any day than have to replace a 7-pin trailer plug!!!

I feel like I wrestled with Parmark and Zerebra fencers for ages. Battery powered, AC, solar… all of them had an issue at one point or another and weren’t putting out the voltage.

Granted I did have a piece of dead fence, but I got a Patriot with 1 Joule output over a year ago and have not had a single issue.

[QUOTE=goodhors;8870851]
GFCI is blowing for a reason. THIS IS YOUR WARNING that there is a problem some place that needs fixing. Like replacing a fuse or circut that keeps blowing by using a bigger or heavier sized one. That solution will let the electric system overload with the power being drawn, possibly overheat, to cause a fire or other problems.

Some point of the new installation needs attention to fix the issue, not a band-aid fix like replacing GFCI with a regular outlet. Did Electrician use heavy wire to run that distance to outlet over using smaller, cheaper wire? Perhaps the charger can’t draw enough electricity to work? Checking how much power is available at the outlet is not hard. Maybe power wire got nicked during installation, so power is shorting out someplace. Again, the GFCI may be bad, plastic dies with age. Was new in box but old sitting on the shelf a long time. Replacing the present GFCI could solve the issue or at least tell you that GFCI is NOT the problem.

Has charger been plugged into other outlets? Does charger blow those location or GFCI outlets as well? Charger may be a bad unit, needs to be taken back for another unit. It happens, shipping accidents, poor handling before your purchase.[/QUOTE]

“GFCI is blowing for a reason. THIS IS YOUR WARNING that there is a problem some place that needs fixing.”

Sorry, but the majority of the time GFCIs trip has nothing to do with the line. Especially if it was installed as a dedicated line, a line that runs from the breaker panel to the outlet.

There can be a number of reasons, none of which are because of a “dangerous” problem. The main reason is they are not really designed for this sort of out door location/use. They can be and are very sensitive to moisture, line voltage change, even ambient naturally accruing static electricity.

In short they can be a PITA. IMO and experience their value is way over rated and the majority of times are not needed. The only reason a licensed electrician installs them is because “code” requires them to. “Code” is not always right nor the best way to go about things. It is far to broad in scope and application for a lot of things. In other words another example of government over regulation.

A Master electrician I learned the tricks of the trade from said he wouldn’t install in a lot of applications if it wasn’t required.

For some reason people tend to think one has to be a rocket scientist to work with, install basic residential electrical. It is actually quite simple if one takes the time to learn the basics. There are plenty of very good websites and or books on how to go about things, correctly and safely. They are very user friendly and will save people a TON of money by being able to do it themselves.

There is no “law” or “code” that says a homeowner can not repair, install, build just about anything they want on their property. Technically only property that is their primary residence not a rental.

Any New Zealand fence charger company will make reliable fence chargers. I use the orange kind that has an Irish name that begins with G. Name won’t come to me now, but it will later. It’s Gallagher.

I have a Portable New Zealand fence charger (red) that is at least 12 years old and still ticks right along. And my Gallagher solar lasted a good decade or more.
https://am.gallagher.com/us-en/products/electric-fencing/power/fence-energizers/110-volt
http://www.valleyfarmsupply.net/proddetail.php?prod=G382504

[QUOTE=TrotTrotPumpkn;8869706]
I paid $1,100 to run electric out there. By God I want a plug in charger! :wink: :slight_smile:

We’re so cloudy, especially in the winter. I don’t know how well solar would work.[/QUOTE]

I hear you, lol. Nothing worse than spending a bunch of money and not getting much satisfaction.

Standard GFC and standard outlets are universal as far as installation design. The location of the attachment screws, top and bottom are the same. As are the screw locations on all “boxes”. Regardless if it is an outlet/switch “wall” box or an outdoor weather proof/resistant box.

The main difference is the overall design. The “profile” of a GFC is rectangular where as the average outlet that most of us have/see have a raise “oval” profile around each “plug”. Though standard outlets can be had with a rectangular profile.

Outdoor weather proof/resistant boxes come with adapter plates to fit the type of outlet and or switch being used. Unused ones are usually discarded by the electrician, installer. I keep them in case I need in another application and or change.

When I ran electric to various paddocks with water lines I installed GFCs. They were always tripping. No mater what was plugged into them. I have a dedicated 200 amp panel for the barn/farm in my shop. So I installed a GFC by the panel, dedicated wire ran from the breaker to the GFC and installed commercial grade outlets at the paddock. So any outlet down stream from this GFC was “protected”. Even with the GFC installed in my shop it still tripped all the time. Most likely because my shop is not a “living” location.

Instead of buying a “standard” design outlet get a rectangular one. Which has the same profile as a GFC and swap out. It should attach the same. The wiring is simple the Black wire goes to the brass/bright colored screw, the White to the silver screw and the bare ground wire to the green. If the box is metal there will be a grounding screw on this also. Pig tail the bare ground wire to the box and the outlet.

As others have suggested to make sure there is not a problem with the Charger take it inside the barn/house and plug it in over night. If still working several hours later the Charger should be working fine.

Checked my Speedrite. It’s plugged into GFCI. Has never tripped.

"GFCI is blowing for a reason. "

Ditto this. I had a GFCI by a pool that tripped many times over the course of about three years and I always just reset it. It tripped most often when it rained. I shrugged, reset, and went on about my life.

Until the day that the whole thing short circuited and parts melted while other areas scorched the deck post it was mounted on. It could have been so much more serious with the deck catching fire, but I lucked out.