What color bay is this?

[okggo]

I’m familiar with blood, mahogany, sandy, dark bay, etc but we have two horses now with a shade of bay I’m not sure what to call it? It’s like a chocolate color, that lacks the reddish tint of mahogany. I’ve always thought brown referred to seal brown (aka almost black with tan flanks/nose).

Here are pictures of the one (dutch wb), the other is a pinto (apha) with the same chocolate brown color. This fillies dam is a red-tinted mahogany bay and sire is seal brown. What would you accurately classify this shade of bay as?

[RacetrackReject]

No idea on color, but plese put her in a fedex box and mail her to Texas. Thank you. =)

[JB]

newborn pictures would help

I suspect she may be brown. The alternative is “regular” bay with a good dose of sooty.

But, it’s a foal coat, and those can REALLY screw with what you think you see LOL

[DeucesWild11]

I vote brown! Which is what dark bay is most of the time

[okggo]

Brown would be nice, I presume she would go darker then? She has all the tan points of seal brown. I’ll have to research sooty, not really familiar with that. JB I don’t have newborn pics other than she was classified as dark bay when I got the call she was born. She has shed her foal coat (mostly) to this color. We’ve had a foal that ended up dark bay and one that ended up seal brown and she hasn’t presented like either?? She is much lighter and much browner.

First photo ended up seal brown, second dark bay, and she is the 3rd for comparison. Are there different shades of seal brown?

[MuskokaLakesConnemaras]

Gorgeous babies

[goodpony]

Looks like foal coat fading–I vote Brown also. My brown filly went through a similar phase and later became very very dark.

[JB]

Brown ranges from “it’s sure not bay but it’s still so light I don’t know what it is” to “are you sure that’s not black?” LOL

Both the first 2 pics of the 3 latest ones are brown Both on the darker end of the spectrum. The 3rd one, your filly, is on the lighter end of brown, that’s my suspicion.

To give you an idea - here is a tested brown foal

[Hippolyta]

My seal brown horse is currently brindle. Fading stinks

[ThisMagicMoment]

She looks like she is still shedding out her baby fur?
Baby fur turns funny colours with sunlight as they start to shed out.
She looks like she’ll be a bay.

[dogdays]

We raised a horse that had this exact color and he retained it throughout life. His coat was almost a burnished gold with the most gorgeous dapples. He was a TB/Clyde cross, with the four white stockings and wide blaze, and everywhere he went he got a lot of attention because of his unique color. Had never seen his color before or since. We just called him a bay.

[MoonWitch]

That is the ugliest baby I have ever seen. Send it here to PA and I’ll spare you the embarrassement of having to raise such a beast…

[arena_run]

Ah-hem, I think that color is called “mine”. wiggles eyebrows and grins

But fading black or brown would be my next guess. I have a gelding like that. When he sheds his is BLACK, but in the summer he is almost a sooty buckskin color. I call him brown 'cause he’s not bay, he’s not black, he’s not buckskin… he’s just “brown”!

[yaser1984]

I thik that color is brown. Very beautifull horse

[PeteyPie]

I would also call the color brown, especially since the photos make it look like her mane ranges from dark brown to light brown/almost blonde on the ends, rather than a true black.

[Hillside_H_Ranch]

I’m the one who called her dark bay as a newborn, but I’m also guilty of sometimes using dark-bay and brown to mean the same thing, even though it technically isn’t. When she was born her body color was much-darker but she still obviously had black mane/tail and dark points. I called her dark bay, but would also go with possibly brown

[candyappy]

We had a beautiful shetland pony who was colored like your foals and he was brown. Wait till next year and you should get a better idea

[okggo]

Thanks for the nice comments! As far as the coat, almost all her foal coat is gone with the exception of some fluff still on her legs. In person she is brown, like a candy bar, with tan, no red tint.

Seal brown…is that dominant? So brown x bay will always = brown? Can chestnut carry it? JB, you mentioned the middle horse pictured above that I called “dark bay” may also be brown - her sire was chestnut and dam bay (Mahogany), could she still be brown? None of the online color calculators I’ve found have brown in the equation (they use bay/brown as the same).

I love this girls color, she reminds me of a hershey bar. Winter coat will be here soon enough, I suppose that will tell an entirely different story, lol.

[JB]

[QUOTE=Hillside H Ranch;6510219]
I’m the one who called her dark bay as a newborn, but I’m also guilty of sometimes using dark-bay and brown to mean the same thing, even though it technically isn’t. When she was born her body color was much-darker but she still obviously had black mane/tail and dark points. I called her dark bay, but would also go with possibly brown :)[/QUOTE]

Given this, I’m sold on my suspicion of brown

That foal coat fades SO fast and dramatically.

This was my foal after drying out, this was him just 2 weeks later , then 4 weeks after that and then 3 months after that

After he shed his bleached Summer coat, this was him late Summer

[JB]

[QUOTE=okggo;6510361]
Thanks for the nice comments! As far as the coat, almost all her foal coat is gone with the exception of some fluff still on her legs. In person she is brown, like a candy bar, with tan, no red tint.

Seal brown…is that dominant? So brown x bay will always = brown? Can chestnut carry it? JB, you mentioned the middle horse pictured above that I called “dark bay” may also be brown - her sire was chestnut and dam bay (Mahogany), could she still be brown? None of the online color calculators I’ve found have brown in the equation (they use bay/brown as the same).

I love this girls color, she reminds me of a hershey bar. Winter coat will be here soon enough, I suppose that will tell an entirely different story, lol.[/QUOTE]

Brown is actually recessive to bay. So absolutely, bay horses can carry brown, and 2 bays, or a bay and a black, or 2 chestnuts, can absolutely produce brown. 2 browns, or a black and a brown, can never produce a bay though.

The color calculators haven’t caught up with the fact that brown is now testable and that it’s recessive to bay