What is a general schedule of a mid level horse?

I am trying to figure out what the work/competition schedule of an average 2* horse might be.

How long between starts? How many starts per year?

In between starts, would such a horse have a week off, and then another week building back up before working full time until the next event? Or does he immediately go back into training? The former is what I imagine a 4* horse would do since each start takes so much out of him. Does a 2* horse have a much more intensive training/showing schedule?

Do most/many eventers consider a lot of turnout to be a necessary part of a horse’s life?

If you have been involved in show jumping (say 1.30m horse) and eventing (at 2*), which sport is more horse friendly?

I am assuming that event horses have it better as far as work level and turnout goes, but I am a jumper person and only know the life a jumper lives; I have no experience with a program for a 2* horse.

I’m not exactly sure I would say that eventing is definitely more horse friendly, at least in terms of work load. Eventers work very hard between events. 6 days a week (some even 7), and at the two star and up levels, they often have multiple days of fitness (maybe a trot or swim day and a gallop day. Often they gallop every 4 or 5 days as their fitness demands get greater). They school on the flat, which is very hard work at that level, and most jump at least once a week (via social media, it seems to me some UL riders are certain their horses forget how to jump or go xc between events and need massive schools to stay sharp). Save three days, most eventers will go right back to the grind after an event with maybe a couple of easy days (and I’m seeing less and less time off after three days, nowadays). It is HARD work being an event horse. I know less about jumpers, but as I learn more it seems they might do as many days, and even some fitness work, but a lot less really hard work that I see eventers do. Lots of flat work to keep them limber and broke, but a lot less jumping on a weekly basis. Seems that once a jumper reaches the 1.30m level, they rarely do more than a gymnastic at home and only jump a couple of courses a show. I will fully admit that I have not been entrenched with jumpers like I have with eventers, but it is my casual observation through various sources.

An eventer may stay at home more and not travel as much (no multi week shows), and they may or may not get more turn out (depends a lot on the barn. I’ve been in UL barns where the horses rarely see the inside of a stall. But I’ve also been in UL barns where they only go out a little at a time). Lord knows both sports will use all sorts of veterinarian intervention to keep a horse on the road. But an eventer’s life is no walk in the park and can be both physically and mentally taxing. Since you have three phases you have to be an expert at, you have to do a lot of work to stay sharp.

As for how many starts, it depends on the horse and his rider. I don’t know many who’ll go more often then every two weeks (at the prelim level my horse was proving that he did best on no more than every three weeks). Also keep in mind there is not an abundance of UL events compared to jumper shows. It takes some considerable strategic planning to get enough runs for an UL horse and rider, particularly if you aren’t on the east coast (or, more specifically, in the mid Atlantic). Some people have the luxury of experience that they can be even more conservative and only running their horses for choice events (you see this most often with 4 star horses, particularly in England, where a good 4 star partnership may only show up at the premier horse trials between major 4 stars).

Interesting questions! Eager to see what those who HAVE been very much in both worlds have to say.

You might ask Supershorty what her mare’s life is like–she shows at the Grand Prix level and is quite involved in the show world at that level, for perspective on the jumper’s life and prep.

I think, as much of a cop out answer as it seems, there is too much variety for a fair comparison.

I have more experience with the jumpers through the GP level. My own 1.30-1.50m horses didn’t jump much at all. The busiest year we did about 3/4 of WEF, two weeks in NY on the way to Calgary, all of Spruce, and the last three Culpepers. They jumped, on average, 2-3 classes a week at the shows and maybe once a week at home. Other horses with riders who needed more practice for horse and/or rider might do a full division, plus a couple of warm up classes or an eq round for 3-6 classes a week and would jump several times a week at home. There are horses that might jump every week of WEF, every week of Spruce, and a lot in between. Some barns turn out, some don’t.

Same for the event horses. Would depend a whole lot on rider and owner goals and experience.

That said, the average 2* horse would likely make more jumping efforts in a competition weekend than my GP horses did and does more fitness work at home. Jumping at home probably varies.

I don’t think that either is inherently more horse friendly. I think you have to evaluate the individual program and make that determination in every unique situation.

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You might ask Supershorty what her mare’s life is like–she shows at the Grand Prix level and is quite involved in the show world at that level, for perspective on the jumper’s life and prep.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I know a jumper’s life. I came over here hoping to find out about an event horse’s life.

When jumpers go to shows they stay for 5 - 6 days, even if they only show for 2 - 3 days. And many H/J shows are now part of a circuit – few are ‘stand alone’ shows. So when jumpers go to a show, they are likely to spend at least 2 weeks (often more) there. That is 13 days at a time at a show. To me, that is stressful by nature. Activity going on 16 hours a day, little, if any, turnout. Being handwalked or ridden for 30 - 40 minutes a day on non show days and spending the rest of the time in their stalls. KHP, Va Horse Park, Tryon, Culpeper etc do not have turnouts and I feel bad for the horses, living in show stalls for weeks at a time.

From what I have heard, event horses are at an event for 5 days at most, and more often 3 - 4 days. Then they go home until the next event. IMO, this is a much nicer life.

I can only speak for our horses, of which we’ve had several at that level. Ours are out most of the time, or at worst out all night and in a stall durng the day. After a horse trial they get 2-3 days off, after a CCI 2-3 weeks off. They get worked 5-6 days a week, usually 2 flat schools, two conditioning hacks, one jump school per week.

The big barns I’ve worked for follow a similar schedule, but I know plenty of others who do it differently.

Most mid to upper level event horses I know are on some variation of the following schedule:

Monday: off or light hack
Tuesday: gallop/long trot
Wednesday: jump school or flat
Thursday: flat or long trot (if the horse needs extra fitness)
Friday: flat
Saturday: gallop/long trot
Sunday: if not jumped Wednesday, then jump. Otherwise, flat or hack

If showing on the weekend, then Monday and/or Tuesday are off and the conditioning day gets pushed to Friday for that week. Following a CCI then 2-3 weeks “off” (some people will do a week or more off but then light riding/hacking the second or third week). If the horse treadmills/Aquapaces/swims, that is usually in place of a long trot or in addition to a flat day.

I know some people that like to jump school the day after a gallop so they (and their horse, I suppose) are used to riding “tired” (ie used to riding what they’ll have on SJ day at a 3 day, when the horse may have a little less gas in the tank after xc). The jump schools are usually 20ish fences max, depending on the rider or horse issues they are working on.

As far as turnout- totally depends on the program and the horse, but I would say very generally that your average event horse at that level gets more turnout than the average jumper at that level, if only from the fact that they spend fewer days at a time at horse shows with no access to turnout. Maybe totally inaccurate, but my observations (I do a lot of work in sport horse barns of a variety of disciplines so my observations are not totally without merit, but I have only ever personally owned and managed event horses of the type being discussed and recognize that that is not a hard and fast rule).

From observation
An event horse needs more fitness than a dressage/jumper/hunter of equal competition levels and is also less ‘bubble wrapped’

There tends to be more turnout and in less perfect conditions than other disciplines. Logic being if the horse can’t be safe on his own he won’t be with a rider. Leg/lung fitness is more of a focus due to competing over varying ground conditions and longer overall continuous effort in course length.

Because of the fixed nature of Xc fences, there is often more tendency to overprepare at home but the work required is more varied than single disciplines.

We do not compete Tate more than once every 3-4 weeks (4 is pref). In between he does get the occasional day off but he is the type that prefers to be in some type of work (I think many horses at that level have that type of drive). That doesn’t mean that he is galloped or jumped everyday. He has walking hacks out on the hills/woods/creeks around the farm. He is schooled in the arena for dressage. He does trot sets or gallop sets. Occasionally he is free jumped or lunged. And sometimes it’s a jump school at home (SJ. Or xc type). Prior to a horse trial he will do a gallop day and he’ll school xc somewhere like Poplar. Factor in lessons and clinics with various trainers specific for xc, dressage, and SJ. He also still has his breeding duties.

A day day in the life is he’s one of the first ones rode in the day around 6-7 am (in the winter he is reversed to afternoon). He comes in his stall, eats and relaxes. He then is collected (and that happens about 2-4 times a week every week just about). He’ll go out for a couple of hours then come in for lunch. Late afternoon he goes out again for several hours then is brought in for dinner and the night. He gets at least 6 hours turn out each day. Stallion buddies over the fence line. :).

After a a competition he normally has one day off then light hacks/work. After trips like Bromont he might get another day or so off. He travels really well and is easy to keep fit so Andrew is careful with the schedule. Also we tend to work toward a specific event and build for it. For example we might decide that he’s going to run Fair Hill so we’ll do one Prelim then an Int level ht or two Int HT 3 months prior and then a CIC** the month prior. The gallops, jump schools, xc schools and lessons are all deliberately scheduled in between to hopefully have him ready for the big HT.

If I were a horse, I think I would much rather be an event horse than a jumper. Being ridden and worked in different disciplines, and turned out for a substantial part of each day, are all positive things for a horse.

Being a jumper, doing flat work and schooling over jumps in a ring, and then going back to a stall — not so much. Of course, jumpers get turned out and sometimes hacked on the trails, but those are not necessarily an important part of their schedules.

My young horse (5) was bred to be a jumper and is very good at it. But I feel bad when I send him off to multi-week shows, especially since he lives outside for over 12 hours a day when home. – So I am toying with the idea of having an event rider look at him to give me an idea of his potential as an event horse. I am all about a horse enjoying his job, and I think he would have a better quality of life if he changed disciplines.

Keep in mind, too, that you can control his schedule within the basic parameters. The training needs as they go up the levels may be somewhat consistent but how much they compete and how much travel they do is up to you.
It is definitely true that even upper level eventers don’t spend weeks at a time in a show environment. In this area we have many one day events or at most overnights so if the horse is competing even Intermediate he can come home quickly. Obviously an FEI event requires a longer stay but there is a limit to how many of those would be on a schedule.
KIm Severeson kept her horse Winsome Adante out 24-7 when he was probably the best event horse in the world. Plentiful turnout is definitely possible.
And yes, they definitely have a more varied weekly routine just due to the nature of the job!

not to derail the thread and make it about the dangers of eventing… but

Another consideration when evaluationg your horse’s happiness… It seems like there’s alot more potential for serious injury in eventing. Not that top level jumpers don’t get hurt, and not that top level event barns don’t know how to manage their horses. But it seems like many, of not most, of the top events have serious horse (and rider) injuries on cross country.

Another (potential) consideration is resale value. A going 1.30m jumper that can safely cover an ammie mistake and is competitive in the bigger shows is going to be worth a lot more $ (and have a larger market of interested parties) than an event horse with a decent record.

How much would it cost per year to have a BNR (I am not going to ride this horse myself and mess him up :slight_smile: ) compete him per year? I would guess that a full schedule might be 8 - 10 events per year?

To campaign a jumper on the road for c. 15 shows a year (including vanning, entries, riding fees, daycare, ‘splits’ and my gas and hotel) costs about $50,000. I cannot afford 1/2 that, so I do my own day care and vanning and go to half the shows that my barn goes to.

Again, my horse isn’t with a “BNR” but a good rider - it is around $1000 a month in training. Show fees - a Horse Trial is around $450 for stall, class fees etc. A FEI HT it is around $700 - $900 depending on the HT for the same things. Hauling is split between all horses running at that HT so it varies based on how far etc. Tate gets shod all the way around every 6 weeks. He sees a chiropractor just about every month or every other month. Vet expenses go up as he goes up the levels - more for prevention and to ensure all is going well. I think most of these horses are top athletes and they are treated as such. My trainer doesn’t charge for grooming at the shows, riding them, he stays in his trailer, etc. I think that eventing is “cheaper” in the long run than say Jumpers or Hunters, but nothing at that level is cheap.

I would agree with the poster above that mentioned that eventing is “nicer” to the horse (IMO) but there are significant risks and really it takes a certain type of horse to run at this level. Several horses have the “ability” but not all have the desire - and they have to have that desire to go.

When Tate was put on the bench after the ADM thing we did a horse trial and only did the Dressage and SJ phases since he was already entered. He didn’t want to get on the trailer to go home because he KNEW he hadn’t done the XC phase. The first time that he went to a HT (last month) he was ON FIRE from the moment he got there till he went onto the XC field. They know and they WANT to do it. You can always spot the ones that love the sport and the ones that are “good kids” and doing what they are asked to do.

Thanks for your input. I am arranging a lesson with Will Faudree this week so he can give me his opinion about my young horse’s future in the eventing world. (I hope he is home this week…). I am lucky to be surrounded with the likes of Denny Emerson, Charlie and Mike Plumb, Bobby Costello, Mark Weisberger, and Will – all within 20 minutes. And Doug Payne is an hour away.

Most of them have fields full of incredible permanent jumps and water complexes, ditches, banks. Carolina Horse Park is 30 minutes away and they have x/c schooling days almost 1x/month.

So my horse will be able to get a real education without leaving town.

And, since jumpers need good flat work, he has already been in dressage training for the last year, although I am sure that will be the area he most needs to work on.

I am getting excited to see what comes of all this!

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How much would it cost per year to have a BNR (I am not going to ride this horse myself and mess him up :slight_smile: ) compete him per year? I would guess that a full schedule might be 8 - 10 events per year?[/QUOTE]
Many upper level event pros charge per day board/training fees which range from $35-$50/ day (and up), for horses they are campaigning. This usually is for horses in full work at their barn - particularly as horses go up the ranks, you don’t see many horses not in their rider’s daily program. Add entries on top of that ($200-350/event without stabling, lots more if you stable or if it’s FEI) plus vet work, shipping, etc.

At the lower levels, you might be able to ship in for shorter periods or work out another arrangement. Best to discuss live with whoever you choose to work with. However, you’re much more likely to be able to cut a deal with a less prominent name.

I’d go sit by a Prelim+ warm-up ring and watch the behavior and listen to the conversations before sending your horse to any pro or listening to what they may choose to feed you :wink: I know you are very well versed in the horse world and sense the BS but it’s just as rampant in the Eventing world as it is in H/J land. Get a second opinion from an older grumpier man :yes: Sorry, hate to sound grumpy myself, but the owners as checkbooks only is just as yucky in event world.

I will say event horses received wonderful care. They are doted over and iced and bathed and wrapped and hand-walked and cared for quite well. Running too often or not quite fit enough is always a problem, but quite obvious to an on-looker.

What’s your goal, for yourself and for the horse? Are you hoping horse can live with you and trailer in for training?

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What’s your goal, for yourself and for the horse? Are you hoping horse can live with you and trailer in for training?[/QUOTE]

I would like that for at least the first year when he is learning his trade and can do that relatively close to home. Now he is at home and I take him over to his jumper trainer 2 - 3 times a week when the trainer is home. He goes to about 1/2 the shows that my barn goes (finances and the heat). Waldo is ridiculously easy – he is an old man in a young horse’s body. Believe it or not, he has never done anything wrong. Under saddle or in the barn, he is always 100% tuned in and wanting to be good. This plan would not work with a horse who needed to be in a constant program.
When he gets above Prelim, he will need to live at the trainers’ but it would be nice to have him close by so he can come here for R&R and still stay in work.