What is all this about the Parellis and dressage

[cu.at.x]

[QUOTE=STF;4002073]
Or where he REALLY took his shirt off at a clinic in front of a ton of ppl! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Come on Pat! Your not Antonio Sabato!
I think he has a glorified image of himself. :rolleyes:
Trust me, he is not who the majority of women are dreaming of at night, unless they are in to manboobs!!!
Maybe he will promote a Parelli $200 man bra soon![/QUOTE]

:lol::lol::lol:

[NoDQhere]

[QUOTE=DressageGeek “Ribbon Ho”;4004178]
So. Are there any of us out there willing "to find ways to re-connect frustrated Parelli-ites who have turned their back to the harsh and sometimes brutal training methods that they are currently experiencing in the modern Natural Horsemanship?"
[/QUOTE]

Yes, we are trying ;). Being the SD Dressage people mentioned earlier, we see many “results” of NH, not just the Pepperonis, but all of them. The NHers really “sell” their systems as an easier way to get “there”, whatever your “there” happens to be. And we all know that dressage just isn’t quick. In fact what makes dressage the hardest is the simplicity of it. REALLY. Many people don’t want to hear that if they learn to be better riders, (independent, effective seat) AND learn to teach their horse to relax and work through their back they are “well on the way” to successful dressage.

[eggbutt]

@Long Spot;3999275

This is going to be good.

:lol::winkgrin::lol::winkgrin::lol::winkgrin::lol::winkgrin::lol::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Boy, were you correct Long Spot!!!

[Dramapony_misty]

Quote of the Day

One poster on these boards has the following quote for a signature and I found it hilarious the first time I saw it and find it quite appropriate for this thread:

“…you’ll never win Olympic gold by shaking a carrot stick at a warmblood…” :lol:

[Sandy_M]

Well, out here on the Left Coast, my opportunities to clinic with WAZ ( or afford to clinic with WAZ) are limited, so what he may do or not do with the Parellis doesn’t much affect me, beyond mild feelings of disappointment/disenchantment. I still like “Dressage in Harmony.”

As for the Parellis. Yup, I heard Linda dis ALL dressage, and the pics of her and that “fluidity” saddle and her “fluidity” seat are beyond hilarious/ridiculous. I, too think, that they’ve glommed on to WAZ as another market, and as for WAZ, well, we all need money, especially in this economy. Perhaps he genuinely thinks he’s helping them… or maybe he’s cannily using THEM. ROFLOL

As for the Parelli Machine - well, whatever. Mass marketing, at a very high price, of old knowledge wrapped in a new package. But you can’t sell the experience needed to make it work effectively (e.g…, reading the horse’s reactions properly) , ergo, the most adept Parelli practitioners I’ve encountered are ammys or pros in other disciplines who merely label techniques they’ve used FOREVER “Parelli” and gain new students who are entranced with the whole thing. The gal who started my greenie was a Hunt disciple and she snorts at the Parelli marketing, while not entirely dismissing some of the techniques. But still, she was riding my bebe within a week - with no trauma to either of them - and didn’t round pen him to death to accomplish that (and she had forewarned me that he might take anything from a week to 30 days to get to that stage).

I could totally ignore Parelli (other than running far-far-away from any horse advertised as having Parelli training!), except for those (some of them friends) who HAVE drunk the Kool-Aid and jumped on the band wagon, labeling me as an abuser or uneducated because I DON’T do Parelli and, horror of horrors, am a dressage rider. Sigh. I really don’t appreciate the pitying looks. The “If you’d only do Parelli…”. Geesh.

I had an eventer I could jump complete 3’3" = 3’6" courses on bridle-less, using the breastplate/seat/legs to steer. Let’s see Parelli do that rather than just a single small jump bridleless.

[monstrpony]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;4005124]

…Mass marketing, at a very high price, of old knowledge wrapped in a new package. But you can’t sell the experience needed to make it work effectively (e.g…, reading the horse’s reactions properly) , ergo, the most adept Parelli practitioners I’ve encountered are ammys or pros in other disciplines …[/QUOTE]

Yes, and therefore, most Parelli followers and doomed to be unsuccessful, since the target audience is those w/o such experience.

One would think this marketing flaw would backfire at some point, but I guess that never happens till after the $$ are in the P’s pockets, and voracious capitalists that they are, what happens after that is of no import. It’s a shame that the horses are the ones that pay the price.

A friend of mine, a devoted, successful classical dressage rider who has clinic’d w/ WAZ–and was told how refreshing she was because she rode sympathetically and with soft, minimal, but effective aids–took a difficult youngster to a local, good horsemanship cowboy (student of Brannaman and Hunt) to be started. After a few days, she and I went to visit, and she jokingly asked what the filly was doing, was she WTC under saddle yet? The cowboy smiled his shy smile and said, well, as a matter of fact, yes. Her jaw dropped to her knees. She went back several times, of course, during the course of his work with the filly, and has actually clinic’d with the cowboy several times since and has been able to further improve some aspects of her work with her horses, based on what she learned from him. She was flabberghasted that there was still some simple, elementary things for her to learn that really made a difference–things we’ve talked about here that simply get overlooked in a lot of dressage programs, things that the “naturals” assume are natural to the rest of us, but in fact are not.

It is a shame that the Parellis and their kind give this kind of horsemanship such a bad name. It’s the horses that are ultimately hurt by it, and that is just very, very sad to me.

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

@monstrpony;4005178

It is a shame that the Parellis and their kind give this kind of horsemanship such a bad name. It’s the horses that are ultimately hurt by it, and that is just very, very sad to me.

ditto. It becomes too easy then to throw out the good with all that bad.

[Hunter_DQ]

I thought I might add that a while back there was a discussion over in hunter land about Pat making some comments about equitation doesn’t matter. It’s only about looking pretty, and it really shouldn’t matter if you look pretty your horse should still perform the same.

I don’t know much about the Perellis. I guess I’ve never had a reason to pursue his materials as I’m happy with my horses’ manners, current training, and work with a good dressage trainer and jumper trainer. I’m not sure how accurate the comment about equitation is, or what was the context that it was said in, but I personally equate equitation with function, so the comment rubbed at me a bit. I work hard to have good equitation to get better results from my horse, but maybe I interpretted his reaction to eq wrong.

[camohn]

Disclaimer that I have not studied the Parelli tapes that I ordered (out of sheer curiosity of what the hoopla was all about) since I the tapes I received from being ordered directly off the PP website arrived defective and they refused a replacement or a refund (would not answer emails or phone calls on the subject). Having ridden with a couple devotees of the PP disciples…they were folks without a horsey background so had not developed any personal “horse sense” prior to the initiation into the PP stuff. Riding with them drives me nuts because you can’t get on the horse for say a show or a trail ride without first doing 7 games. If the horse is trained right I sorta think you should just be able to get on the beast! Some of the games involve The Carrot Stick. Now at shows there are areas posted No Longing. And when these folks got in trouble for longing in said area they argued that they are NOT longeing…it is not a longe whip. It is a Carrot Stick being used in a Parelli Game. Ummm…it is an orange longe whip with a horse on the end of a line. Roll eyes.

[Bluey]

—“Now at shows there are areas posted No Longing. And when these folks got in trouble for longing in said area they argued that they are NOT longeing…it is not a longe whip. It is a Carrot Stick being used in a Parelli Game. Ummm…it is an orange longe whip with a horse on the end of a line. Roll eyes.”—

That is really funny.:lol:
Knowing some died in the wool parellites, I am not surprised.:yes:
I wonder if some day “parellite” will stand for a well described pathology.

[Mozart]

I’m still trying to come up with a song about the Parelliites to the tune of Desmond Decker’s song “The Isrealites”. A great use of my mucking time. I’ll let you know if I come up with anything brilliant. If anyone else beats me to it…go for it!

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

Yes. That is another thing - you can’t get on and ride unless you have done the 7 Games. My horse would go nuts at the sheer repetition. Now, to warm up - free longe, in hand, long rein, fine. Depending upon the weather, my horse, what we plan to accomplish - I may or may not do that.

The repetition does not accomplish anything. I want to know how supple my horse is, any stiffness, how he is feeling, how well he is flexing - how well I am flexing!!! - so I can better plan my ride. But mindless repetition of games when you have already established the working ground relationship?

Never mind my horse - I’D go nuts!