TROLL.
Read for comprehension, many instances have been cited here of the benefits of capsacain to MAKE A HORSE COMFORTABLE. Oh, oh, oh us evil showjumpers . . .
The rest of your drivel is just, well, almost humorous after all the stuff that has gone on on this board this week.
Dude!
If you’re going to be sad about the “horse abusers” (and did you know your grandma probably uses the stuff on her sore joints?), at least be embarrassed that you’re Irish, German, Norwegian or Brazilian. No Americans have been implicated.
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Dude!
If you’re going to be sad about the “horse abusers” (and did you know your grandma probably uses the stuff on her sore joints?), at least be embarrassed that you’re Irish, German, Norwegian or Brazilian. No Americans have been implicated.[/QUOTE]
YET
Yeah I’m gonna say you’re a troll.
However, read this:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.support.arthritis/2007-10/msg00714.html
This substance is merely a pain reliever…banned by the FEI, yes. Agreed, no. Can ya do anything about it? No. Rules are rules. Heck with back pain I have right now, I’d probably not hesitate to try it out to see if it relieves my aches and pains.
And don’t make assumptions based on the fact that one bad horseman leads to the next cause it’s not true.
I know show jumpers who are taken care of to the highest extremes and they live wonderful lives and are super happy.
And once again I read “people at horse shows told me this and that…” That is all gossip…and what good is gossip? About as good as a tack in your a&%.
Trollfest '08 :rolleyes:
As closely monitored as barns and schooling rings are, I really doubt riders were out there smearing capsaicin paste all over legs in hopes of making the horses snappy. Since it’s in Bigeloil and countless other liniments, it was (stupidly) overlooked as it hasn’t been detected when used topically before. Riders probably assumed (stupidly) that it didn’t enter the bloodstream unless taken orally. Those evil unpatriotic terrorist jumpers, rubbing their horses down. :mad:
In general, a pain reliever that works by using an irritant is not a pain reducer that works directly. It works by increasing circulation to the injured part, and the increased circulation heals the injury quicker. That is why you heat up an older injury, but cool a fresh one. Irritants cause a little bit of a fresh local injury to tell the body where to rush the “healing blood” to.
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Ok so I get what it is…but what effect are people trying to acheive using this?[/QUOTE]
It’s one of the few topical pain relievers that actually work. That and surpass (voltaren).
Capsasician can be found in zostrix cream and in Equiblock.
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In general, a pain reliever that works by using an irritant is not a pain reducer that works directly. It works by increasing circulation to the injured part, and the increased circulation heals the injury quicker. That is why you heat up an older injury, but cool a fresh one. Irritants cause a little bit of a fresh local injury to tell the body where to rush the “healing blood” to.[/QUOTE]
I think MY biggest question is:
So what is everyone supposed to use in a liniment while competing at these levels? A lot of equine products contain this substance so what else could you use to relieve your horse of it’s aches and pains after some serious competition?
Personally, I would use massage. That will work better than any liniment, and is 100% safe.
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It’s a pain killer.
When the OTC product Equi-Block came out, it originally contained shedloads of capsaicin. Once the federations started testing for it they made another version & now there are two versions of that product… one for horses who are not subject to drug testing and another for those who are![/QUOTE]
I can say from using Equi-block original on myself (and surpass too) that they both work very well. Shame they can’t use something so benign for the Olympics.
:lol:
I’m with you CoolMeadows - that’s what first came to my mind
Liniment = WMD?
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Personally, I would use massage. That will work better than any liniment, and is 100% safe.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking that too…heck…I think massage cures most anything in both humans AND animals. It’s so good for you!
snork so you don’t think all those top level show jumpers living and dying under the FEI rules ever heard of massage? Or acupuncture? Chiropractic? Or all the various sports medicine gadgets out there like the electromagnetic and hydrotherapy machines? I think it’s a pretty safe bet they already have those bases covered.
Given that a chiro/vet friend that went to Sydney back in 2000 was showing me how to do deep tissue fascia massage on my horse way back in the late 90’s, I think we can bet they are already safely on top of it. :lol:
Why? It was horse from other countries who tested positive.
Who’s Macleen? I keep picturing Mr. Clean on a horse. Or maybe his Ma. Ma Cleen. 
Sigh…I thought kids were back in school already. Guess not.
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I think MY biggest question is:
So what is everyone supposed to use in a liniment while competing at these levels? A lot of equine products contain this substance so what else could you use to relieve your horse of it’s aches and pains after some serious competition?[/QUOTE]
I’ve made liniment out of alcohol and listerine but don’t know if the "herbs"listed in listerine are legal or not.
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I’ve made liniment out of alcohol and listerine but don’t know if the "herbs"listed in listerine are legal or not.[/QUOTE]
I believe that Listerine contains Eucalyptus. Listerine can blister, also, so be careful with that. It has a lot of good uses for horses, though, and can help clear up all kinds of skin issues and is pretty decent when used to make homemade flyspray, which we use on my farm. I would like to know also if any of its ingredients are banned.
Fairview - re riders claiming ignorance about ingredients in the products they use … I am sure some need to be more vigilant, period, about knowing the applicable rules and ensuring they are in compliance (e.g., the weight limit on boots for eventing). But, a lot of horse products have absolutely pathetic labeling, and do not contain a complete list of ingredients. And even when they do, a listed ingredient may in fact contain a banned substance, but the ingredient itself is not on any prohibited substance list (e.g., paprika / capsaican). Plus, think about how many things are used on a horse to prep it for a show – shampoos, liniments, supplements – not to mention whatever its fed. And all that is complicated by the fact that it is unlikely that the horse is under the sole care of any one person for all of its needs. As I have said elsewhere, being the control nut that I am, I do all feed and meds at shows because I just don’t want these issues. And if I have a rules question, I need only ask Janet, our COTH expert on rules : ).
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I can say from using Equi-block original on myself (and surpass too) that they both work very well. Shame they can’t use something so benign for the Olympics.[/QUOTE]
Before I go to bed, I use Grand Flex roll on on my feet and hips that can be stiff and a bit painful when I get up the next morning, and it works really well. It has the same hot pepper derived substance. I actually don’t feel any burn, but I guess I have tough skin. Haha. Never thought it would be illegal for horse competition.
I tried a Chinese liniment on one of my horses once. I don’t know if it was the herbal smell or the tingling sensation, he was so mad that he threw himself on the stall floor repeatedly and rolled like crazy. I don’t think I’ll experiment anything I use on him again.
Haha. The point was that I would depend on massage, as it works better than anything else, and I would NOT use anything that I was not 100% sure of. It IS the Olympics. Not something I would mess around with unknown chemicals for - even to the point of washing my horse with water period.
Irish rider Denis Lynch blames ‘Equiblock’ for positive doping test
Charlotte White, H&H deputy news editor
21 August, 2008
One of the four show jumpers suspended from the Olympic competition in Hong Kong has blamed his horse’s positive test for a banned substance on a Deep Heat-like ointment used on the horse.
At the tribunal yesterday in Hong Kong the International Equestrian Federation indicated that the banned substance, capsaicin, was an ingredient in some equestrian products in regular use.
Horse Sport Ireland (HSI) has confirmed that it was identified by their rider Denis Lynch as an ingredient in a product called Equiblock used by him on his horse.
An HSI spokesman said : “Equi-block is a product used in similar circumstances to ‘Deep Heat’ used on humans and Denis Lynch explained to the tribunal that he commonly applies Equiblock to the horse’s lower back prior to exercise.”
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