What is *granite* in relation to harness?

I have been debating between leather and biothane, so read through a thread here giving pros & cons, and people’s favorites.

In that thread, I ran across the term granite and I’ve never heard it before except the countertop varitey.

I’m baffled! Please clarify.

I have a beta biothane bitless bridle and love the quality and feel of it. Is plain biothane something different? Cookie’s trainer has a patent leather-looking biothane harness for special occasions, but I don’t think it looks very sturdy.

So, please educate me on the different forms of biothane, and granite. Thanks!

Wendy/Yip
NC

Never heard of Granite.
I had one of the early biothane harnesses and the material has gotten better and better looking and in term of durablitiy. Actually one harness has several types since the same material has to come in different widths, thicknesses, with and without a nylon core.
The old stuff looked pretty plastic, the new stuff looks more like leather.

I’ve never heard of “granite” either. Can you give us some idea of the context in which it was used?? :confused:

Granite is a type of synthetic leather for harness. It is very similar to to Beta and is softer than Bio. I have heard that it is soft and tend to look pretty rough if it is used hard. It has a matte finish similar to Beta. LF

Here is the link to the thread, I hope.

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=127982

And this is the post by draftdriver mentioning granite. I also want to thank draftdriver for bringing up an unfamiliar term so I can consider that too.

To start off with, I should say that my harness for my draft team, with neck collars, is a mish-mash of leather, granite and nylon. If I were going out to buy a new set (and had the money), I would definitely go granite. I know many teamsters who have a variety of harness. Yes, leather is lovely – and heavy, and turns green in the summer. Biothane, the type which looks like patent leather, gets cracked and peels over time. Granite looks and feels like leather, doesn’t go moldy, and isn’t as heavy. For example, leather traces are made of layer upon layer of thick leather, which is heavy. Granite traces are nylon in the middle, with the leeather-like product on top, which greatly reduces the weight. The traces and the hames are the heaviest part of my harness, so reducing the weight of the traces would be of benefit to me. I’m 5’3", arthritic, and struggle to get the harness on my 16.2 hh mares.

Almost no one that I know of has biothane lines. They’re too light and get blown around in a stiff breeze. Granite has more weight to it, and handles like leather lines. An added benefit is that in the dead of winter up here in the frozen north, the granite stays more flexible than leather, and is much easier to get into and out of buckles.

Wendy/Yip
NC

Any of the biothanes are pretty sturdy, whether shiny or a flat, matte type finish. The difference is in softness. The shiny, original biothane, beloved of those bright color lovers, has the sharp edges, no cushion depth in most cases. Just a plastic dipped nylon strap. The newer offerings in the shiny or matte finishes, beta-biothane, named types like Granite, have a thicker layer of plastic coating, softer edges that are rounded like good leather. Different makers may label their strapping by various names, could really be different, or not, when compared to other makers. Ask, perhaps they can tell you the differences.

Where the major price differences come in between brand name makers and the Amish guy in his shop, are the qualtity of buckles and metal hardware, styling of pieces to fit horse comfortably. I have been told that the strapping is really almost equal from all strap sellers. Zilco strapping is a harness made by a different process, should be considered apart from the others.

Your harness is only as good as the hardware that holds it together. Cheaper harness uses cheaper buckles, not the stainless steel or good brass with steel tongues, that the better quality makers use. Would you rather depend on a buckle with a thick, stainless steel tongue or a plain steel buckle with a piece of wire for a tongue? Brass buckle tongues are to be avoided for ANY use, except maybe a tiny dog collar. Brass bends very easily under strain, will bend inside out and allow strap to come off within a buckle. So any brass buckles NEED steel tongues on a harness to be reliable.

There is a big thread where we discussed the need for “built-in breakability” of harness in a wreck to release the horse. I personally don’t ever want it on my horses. A weak spot is ALWAYS a weak spot, will break when you need the strength the most! Horse feels any give, they fight harder, make things worse.

There is a nylon strap harness, soft webbing made in the UK, by Tedman. It has been a very good harness for us, well fitted, quality hardware. This strapping is not coated, but has not rubbed or sored up any of my thin-skinned horses. It washes well in my washing machine. A vast improvement in quality over the cheap nylon strap harness in tack catalogs for about $100. Those catalog ones don’t fit anyone, are very stiff strapping, junk hardware. No comparison in quality, though they are both “nylon strap” harnesses. You may hear bad stuff about junky nylon harness from folks who went the catalog, cheap harness, route. Do ask about the name brands, Tedman has been very good for us.

I would consider a well-made synthetic harness to be a good investment, if it has good hardware. They are easy to maintain, lighter in weight to carry around. Sturdy. They are less expensive than leather, but not ususally cheaply priced. You can find deals on used equipment, but get good measurements, so it fits your horse. You want straps to be using the middle hole when done up for work. Not in tightest or last hole out. You can’t change things when you are already in the last setting.

I’ve note heard of granite either. Its not a term we use but it seems its:

polyurethane coated webbing that has a very attractive leather look finish called “granite”

According to:
http://www.bowersfarm.com/harnes01.html

Granite as far as I understand it to mean over here in Australia means the look & finish given to it resembles the colors & texture of granite rock when it cut to masonry ?

My understanding of “granite” is that it is a bio-thane type that is made to resemble leather, in texture and feel.

Cinder

Granite

As someone who works with these materials on a daily basis, I think I can help shed some light on this for you guys.

There are a number of different types of Biothane. The Gold Opaque and Gold Translucent class Biothanes are the ones most people are familiar with. They’re the ones that come in all the bright, glossy, fancy colours. Then there’s Beta Biothane, which is the softer, matte, leather-embossed material. Less common (and no longer manufactured) is Alpha Class Biothane, which is only available in glossy Black and White, and is stiffer and wider than the Gold Class.

Granite class Biothane is matte and leather embossed, like Beta Biothane, but the coating is stiffer and it has almost zero tackiness. It’s popular in harness because it gives you the leather-like appearance of Beta, but has the durability and longevity of regular Biothane.

All of the materials have the coating impregnated directly into their nylon core (urethane for the standard Betas, and PVC for Beta). Strength comes from a combination of width and coating material, as well as hardware type and stitching and hole placement.

Thank you for such a clear explanation. Hope you’ll stick around as harness issues seem to come up rather regularly. :slight_smile:

Thank you so much for that great post! My beta biothane bridle is just as you described, and has a bit of tackiness to it. I can see where the granite biothane would be desirable.

Wendy/Yip

Bioplastics Company

Here’s a link to the source of Granite Biothane:

http://www.bioplastics.us/granite.html

There is also info at:

http://www.biothane.us/

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Now EE, if you’d only make harness like I ASKED you to!

For anyone who wants other types of beta tack, Entropic has a fantastic company called Tack a Tack and makes wonderful, synthetic tack. Fantastic customer service,too.

Now, we just need to start a petition together to make harness!

Tara…you can practice on Echo!

ZA (Cinder)

Za- I just don’t have the SPACE to do harness. I’d have to expand, and then I wouldn’t be able to keep up. Besides, it’s time for me to go out and get a real job…something with a paycheque.

Camptown has the nicest synthetic harnesses I’ve ever seen, and their customer service is wonderful. Their prices are really great, too…now if I’d actually get off my butt and order one for The Dooz!

http://www.camptownharness.com/

Thanks again, everyone. I am saving all the links you’re posting.

EE, will you please post the link to Tack a Tack? If you make tack for trail and CTR people, I will recommend you to my friends, due to the glowing recommendation given above.

Yip- I market towards dressage/eventing folks, mostly. There are already some really great companies that cater to the endurance/CTR crowd. However, if it’s made from straps, and isn’t a driving harness, chances are I can make it. :slight_smile:

The link is http://www.tackatack.com (if there’s something that you want, but isn’t on the website, just ask!)