No, I haven’t. Thanks for the suggestion! I think Parelli had his own brand of “horsenality” for decades and I’m pretty sure he came up with it first…or at least he sold it to Western riders first.
That score means everything because Pat said it is good! Have YOU ever scored a 85% with your horse? (I’m sure not, so tsk tsk) Heck, I’m sure he’d rate a 20 year old Parelli Majickal with an age score of 8 because the horse is so wise. Or maybe 7.5 because the horse is wise and tired of doing Parelli stuff. 7.5 out of 10! 75% -how awesome! What a deal for a 20 year old that is ONLY priced at $50K!!!*
(hypothetical, people!)
(fainting with the backside of my hand on my forehead as I learn you are questioning Pat)
*Soundness is not guaranteed and horse may require significant maintenance to remain sound. It never happened at Parelli barn but only in transit to you. Parelli doesn’t handle transit and cannot protect buyer from soundness or behavioral issues that develop in transit to buyer. Buyers cannot come to Parelli ranch to observe or ride horse first.
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The book is an excellent read. It helped me understand my GRP who was so difficult. He had a combination of fearful and challenging behaviors. She explains how to work with different personalities.
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I would price in the 12.5-15k range for my area. 18k if the horse is a better than average mover. The trainable, quiet, solid citizens sell well.
As far as her training level, upload a good video of her performing WTC and lateral movements and have the buyer decide. Most ammys looking for a solid citizen aren’t going to be insanely critical of 3rd vs. 4th level, etc., and will be happy if the horse fits their needs and intended purposes.
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I would say most ammies looking for a 5 year old “dressage prospect” doing 3rd or 4th at that age WILL be critical of the movement. Most ammies looking for a “solid citizen” are likely not going to buy a 5 year old. Some might if the horse is just mellow.
That’s just my opinion.
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I bought my guy from Jorge Gabriel, who imported, trained and competes Lider Seven (the PSG stallion you’re referring to).
I bought him at 9 and he’s as solid as they come. Most of Jorge’s horses go on to have very long and happy careers. They’re definitely not pushed in a way that is detrimental to their longevity.
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Lider Seven is my favorite Spanish bred horse in the US. He is phenomenal. I’m looking forward to what he produces.
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What area are you? Please send me some links to these horses, I’m in the market for exactly this type. I keep asking for people pricing this horse under 15k to send me some leads and crickets so far.
For reference: my friend is looking at this horse, and the seller says she is swamped with people coming out. She wants a low level eventing horse that is calm and steady. This horse has hardly any experience in an arena, but seems willing. THIS is a 15k horse anywhere near me, although they probably could get 20k with fancier video. Not a whisper of any advanced training here. https://foxhuntinghorse.com/fiona?fbclid=IwAR2eOK6u5zjFApRlb9auR2yfl0oPGhicpECrb0f3zR6q7YQqNoeKl6dMoas
Sure! Not advertised as an upper level dressage prospect. She’s a 4
year old crossbred who is a happy hacking out alone or with company. She has trailered out by herself. She has jumped small hunting fences in a group which is a good thing because she did “light foxhunting”. Does your husband want to fox hunt? A horse with this experience can be valuable if he does. Not so valuable if he want to do dressage, like the last horse you posted and liked. I think you really, really need to focus on the needs/wants at hand at this point. Really focus.
Perhaps a horse like this is much more up your and your husband’s alley? Ummmm, I’ll give you my opinion but I’m not going to go look for horses for you. Can your husband handle a crossbred mare hilltopping or a QH upper level dressage prospect? Those are two very different horses. Horses trained to hilltop are on their way to the hunt and are often not for the faint of heart. Horses working at upper level dressage aren’t peices of cake for those who don’t know dressage aids. Can’t you tell the difference between the two ads? sigh You don’t seem to know what you want only you want a horse in a lower price range.
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What last horse I posted and liked? The parelli horse? Perhaps you are sarcasm/humor impaired?
I said I am looking for a horse like the OP’s for the price you stated, I am merely showing others who say this is, say, an 8k horse what 15k buys around here and that is cute and promising but surely NOT highly trained.
If you can’t supply links to these horses the perhaps you don’t actually have anything to back your assertions up.
I am not looking for the horse type I linked, it was a demonstration to what IS available that is not completely green. Or a very downhill built QH. Anything around here trained to even 2nd level is 20k+ or comes with serious maintenance and won’t last more than a couple more years.
Try to follow the thread.
He’s Spanish bred?
Ok, that’s great 
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He is PSL.
@MadTrotter, I’m with J-Lu, I’m not going to go pull ads but I’m located in middle TN. Horses can vary quite a bit per area but going rate for a mixed breed, lower level, solid citizen here is about 12-15k. There is an event trainer near Franklin, TN that has some draft crosses etc., doing lower level eventing in this price range. PM if you are serious and would like their info.
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While they can all be lumped into the term “Iberian” and have an intertwined history, there is a difference between a Spanish bred horse (PRE) and a Portugese horse (PSL).
In the US they’re often referred to as Andalusians (for Spanish) and Lusitano (for Portugese). However, I’ve seen some people refer to their horse as an Andalusian and it had some Lusitano in there too. The stallion in question is a Lusitano and if he’s registered PSL then he’s not Spanish bred. Plus his lines are Lusitano on both sides, IIRC.
As a sidenote: Not all Andalusians or Spanish horses are PRE’s. I think the same goes for Lusitanos, they’re not all PSL.
Not arguing or trying to be a know-it-all here, just offering some Iberian horse info. Anyone is free to politely correct me if I’m wrong or add additional info, of course.
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Yes, I’m aware of Spanish and Portuguese stud books.
I was originally thinking Lider Seven is PRE but he is PSL. He is still my favorite of the PRE/PSL stallions in the US and I do not think Jorge is ruining him for the sake of competition as you were originally talking about. I also do not think I need to wait 5 or 6 years to appreciate his quality.
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You do not need to wait 5 or 6 years to appreciate his quality. You can do as you please as I said, I understand why people get excited about him now and he’s certainly a nice horse (my exact works that I used previously). Since I’m generally a one horse owner, by choice, I don’t think it’s totally outlandish of me to want to wait a bit and see what kind of longevity a stallion or horse might have, or how their whole competitive career pans out. I know anything can happen with horses, and perhaps I’m a bit cautious, but that’s just me. I’d like to wait a bit before I might breed from him. That’s me and it’s not right or wrong. Just my opinion. Plus he’s a bit on the tall side for me. That is my preference, not a dig at the horse or rider/trainer! We all have our preferences and that doesn’t mean that the horse isn’t of very good quality.
I also never said that Jorge is ruining him. Do not take my words as that, please. I was speaking generally, and some people do push too hard and do it all for the sake of competition. I’ve seen it. Did I say Jorge is doing this? No. I’m not sure why you’ve taken such a tone with me but might just read harsher than intended (internet and written word and all), and we can agree to disagree.
Edit: Good God, I cannot type without errors on my phone 
sorry.
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Not sure if you’re mixing up this poster with someone else or if someone peed in your cornflakes this morning, but this response was unnecessary and unkind, not to mention completely irrelevant to the point they were trying to make, which is that prices for horses in their area are very high and finding an animal with four legs and three gaits under $15k is next to impossible.
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This is what I was responding to. If you aren’t referencing Lider, I apologize.
From my stand point, I do not see a need to wait until the end of a stallion’s career to use them. If a horse is injured in a breeding accident or otherwise, this won’t accurately reflect long term soundness. Holding out is not fail proof. I also think it can be a extremely advantageous to use younger stallions in breeding programs. But, if I weren’t breeding every year, and were perhaps breeding a mare here or there as I pleased, I can see why one would wait or be less inclined to try certain stallions. Having a difference of opinion isn’t anything personal.
I’m probably coming off as short without intending to be. I’m pregnant, not feeling well and got a few hours of sleep again last night. It’s very likely me and I’m coming off in a way that is unintended. I apologize.
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Ok, I’ll try to be as clear as possible 
Here I am referring to Lider:
“Yeah, that’s great and all (as a long time Iberian fan and supporter), but I’m interested to see how he is and where he’s at in a other 5 to 7 years. If he’s still going strong, doing well, and has a good record, then I’d be really interested in breeding from him or buying an offspring. However, I can understand why people get excited about him now, and he’s certainly a nice horse.”
Here I am speaking generally (not about Lider)
“It’s so easy to push these willing and capable horses, and be totally blinded by success.”
Of course if a horse is injured in a breeding accident or otherwise it doesn’t reflect long term soundness and if I liked the stallion enough I’d just breed to him anyway. Holding out is certainly not fail proof. I don’t know that much is with horses I often ride the line between YOLO and being overly cautious 
I can definitely see multiple benefits of using a younger stallion, and who knows, maybe one day I will if I just get the feeling that stallions is “the one”
I do think there can be understandable differences between those that breed every year, breed multiple mares, and/or have a program vs the “small time” me that might breed less than a handful of times in their lifetime (for themselves).
