http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/10/us/california-san-bernardino-police-beating/
The man put his hands behind his back and then they kick him in the head or neck or shoulder and like a pack of maniacs they all pile on him. This is getting so “regular” as to be almost routine. I just got chills watching that police officer in South Carolina calmly shooting a man running away five or six times in the back.
BTW, the horse is said to have been given back to his owners injured legs and all.
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The man put his hands behind his back and then they kick him in the head or neck or shoulder and like a pack of maniacs they all pile on him. This is getting so “regular” as to be almost routine. I just got chills watching that police officer in South Carolina calmly shooting a man running away five or six times in the back. [/QUOTE]
I wonder if it’s “getting” regular, or if it’s just getting more regularly caught on video.
So the arrested guy is in jail, not a hospital after that beat down???
“10 deputies placed on PAID administrative leave” I agree with the commenter who said it should be unpaid; then if misconduct allegations are unfounded, they get back pay.
One report of deputies with "Two of the deputies received injuries including abrasions, a twisted knee and hurt back from being struck by the horse - quite different from “kicked by the horse”. What the heck were they doing!
I love this horse, though! Someone must know someone through Facebook to let us know how the horse is!
Disgusting.
I want that horse.
Would love some follow up on this truly amazing horse.
Poor guy had a hell of a ride.
A quote from a commenter on the video that I agree with and kind of sums up how I felt, because I am from the “Officer Friendly” generation:
“…officers involved in this incident are NOW just as guilty of a crime as the one you pursued …and there is no dispute in how he was apprehended and what transpired afterwards.”
I live near there and have been up there a bunch of times.
While I definitely think that was an extremely excessive use of force, I can’t help but also think that if he hadn’t run and hadn’t broken the law and hadn’t stolen a horse, it would never have happened.
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I live near there and have been up there a bunch of times.
While I definitely think that was an extremely excessive use of force, I can’t help but also think that if he hadn’t run and hadn’t broken the law and hadn’t stolen a horse, it would never have happened.[/QUOTE]
Well true…
But, then we wouldn’t have seen those who swore to uphold the law… not actually upholding the law. The law isn’t something you get to decide whether you want to agree with or not in the moment. We call people who do this criminals. There are channels appropiate for changing laws you disagree with. Ten officers piling on is not considered to be one of them.
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Well true…
But, then we wouldn’t have seen those who swore to uphold the law… not actually upholding the law. The law isn’t something you get to decide whether you want to agree with or not in the moment. We call people who do this criminals. There are channels appropiate for changing laws you disagree with. Ten officers piling on is not considered to be one of them.[/QUOTE]
I’m just saying that I do not feel sorry for the guy at all. Not one bit.
Maybe it’s just because I’m managed to (so far) live my life without stealing people’s possessions, without having ever run from law enforcement, to have never have put myself into a position where this kind of aggression could have happened. I will not say that I have never broken the law, because I have. But when caught (we’re talking about not stopping for stop signs and for speeding, nothing truly heinous here), I accepted the consequences of my actions like a responsible adult. I did not try to flee from law enforcement.
That being said, I did state that it was excessive force and believe it to be so. I still hold firm to the statement that it was the suspect’s own actions that lead to these consequences.
McMahon said that while he could not say the deputies in the incident knew Pusok, those involved in the initial pursuit were familiar with him.
On a prior domestic call, McMahon said, Pusok “made threats to kill a deputy sheriff and in fact shot a puppy in front of part of his family.”
So he’s a wife-beating, puppy-murdering horse thief. Can’t work up a whole lot of outrage over what happened to him.
I can’t imagine how he didn’t get shot by the police during the prior domestic call.
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From this article
So he’s a wife-beating, puppy-murdering horse thief. Can’t work up a whole lot of outrage over what happened to him.
I can’t imagine how he didn’t get shot by the police during the prior domestic call.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so maybe he’s a horrible human being.
Officers of the law are supposed to enforce this law equally, not enforce it properly for nice people, and ignore it for crappy people.
As for Jarrn - when law enforcement ignores the law, not even routine traffic stops for minor offences are safe. Levar Jones was stopped for a seatbelt violation and shot while obeying police directions (cop was fired and charged; incident was on tape); I guess if you were even pulled over for non-heinous speeding and assaulted by the cop, we could shrug and say “her own actions led to these consequences”?
The consequences this man deserved were to be arrested, not piled on and kicked. These actions are squarely on the deputies, and the theft or his general horrible human being-ness does not justify or explain them.
they are likely on PAID admin leave till after the investigation. Then they are likely to lose their job, their pension and may have fines that will use up all that paid leave.
Don’t be too quick to rush to judgement before the investigation is complete. I imagine they will suffer the consequences of having been stupid.
PS. How can anyone in law enforcement be so ignorant that there are cameras w video capability EVERYWHERE now? If I were out on the street, I would assume there was someone, somewhere recording what I was doing.
Maybe not recording for much longer. There’s some scuttlebutt that law enforcement is not happy with civilians recording these incidents–I say, “Too bad!”–stop acting like a bunch of thugs and clean up your acts!
Without the video I’ll lay chances that the officers would have got off scott free. There is only accountability in these cases when there is incriminating proof. So the publicity is a good thing. Make them smarten up, bunch of bullies.
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While I definitely think that was an extremely excessive use of force, I can’t help but also think that if he hadn’t run and hadn’t broken the law and hadn’t stolen a horse, it would never have happened.[/QUOTE]
Going against the crowd here and saying that POS got exactly what he deserved.
He was a career criminal who had a past record of resisting arrest (twice) AND animal cruelty. He fled again when he was confronted with a search warrant for suspicion of identity theft.
The idiot clearly has no regard for the law or the lives of animals. He rode that horse through rough terrain and the horse sustained some sort of injury. I also don’t think it was happy to stand around “ground tied” more likely it was exhausted and injured.
If that had been my horse, I would have cheered those deputies on then bought them drinks.
I’m not a violent person and generally think cops do use excessive force, but if this guy hasn’t learn to respect people the law and animals, he never will so why should he get a break?
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Going against the crowd here and saying that POS got exactly what he deserved.
He was a career criminal who had a past record of resisting arrest (twice) AND animal cruelty. He fled again when he was confronted with a search warrant for suspicion of identity theft.
The idiot clearly has no regard for the law or the lives of animals. He rode that horse through rough terrain and the horse sustained some sort of injury. I also don’t think it was happy to stand around “ground tied” more likely it was exhausted and injured.
If that had been my horse, I would have cheered those deputies on then bought them drinks.
I’m not a violent person and generally think cops do use excessive force, but if this guy hasn’t learn to respect people the law and animals, he never will so why should he get a break?[/QUOTE]
Agree. If he’d tried to steal one of the WildandWickedWarmbloods, he’d have been shot by owner. Horse could have ended up with a broken leg in that rough terrain.
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Agree. If he’d tried to steal one of the WildandWickedWarmbloods, he’d have been shot by owner. Horse could have ended up with a broken leg in that rough terrain.[/QUOTE]
But you are (probably) not a law enforcement officer.
If this had been a video of the horse owner and/or barn family chasing this guy down and beating the crap out of him, it’d be a totally different story. I don’t like to think of myself as a violent person, but I’d probably beat the crap out of someone who stole my horse too. These LEOs don’t get to do that though. They’re suppose to protect the law and be the standard. If we don’t hold them to it, what value does our law have?
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Agree. If he’d tried to steal one of the WildandWickedWarmbloods, he’d have been shot by owner. Horse could have ended up with a broken leg in that rough terrain.[/QUOTE]
There was a huge probability that horse could have broken a leg and that is damn lucky he didn’t. We don’t know the extent of the injuries the horse sustained, but who’s responsible for the vet bill?
My horse would have dumped that guys sorry butt within minutes of being hijacked. Too bad that horse didn’t do the same.
Well, we citizens are supposed to adhere to the law and having two prior resisting arrests doesn’t exactly make this guy a model citizen.
The deputies obviously tried to beat some sense into him, but I doubt it will make him more willing to abide by the law.
The headlines should read:
Career criminal accused once again of animal abuse for stealing horse and nearly running it to death.
