What should I buy? Mowers, tractors, gators, oh my!

Forgive me, I have NO experience or idea what I’m talking about when it comes to these things, but it’s time to start researching!

We just moved two horses home to our small “farmette” on 3 acres. We just built the house last year, so we don’t even own a lawn mower. With spring approaching, I’m trying to decide what would be the best thing to buy…here is what I’m looking for:

  1. Something to mow our 3, very flat, acres
  2. Needs to be able to pull a Newer Spreader
  3. Would like a FEL attachment to move/turn the manure pile, move screenings or rock, etc.
  4. Would like to be able to attach a chain harrow or arena drag
  5. Would like 4wd (I think?) to be able to handle mud and snow
  6. Must be SMALL. We have very limited storage so the idea of a “tractor” scares me. Something very compact would be ideal.
  7. Budget…would really prefer to stay under 10K.

Any ideas? Or am I totally dreaming up something that doesn’t exist? Hubby feels like we need a gator and a mower, I’m hoping we can buy one thing that does it all!

We are in the same boat but we have 10 acres. We are researching utvs with mower attachments. The Kunz and Swisher get good reviews. We’re unsure if we really need a brush hog because our acreage is currently pasture that has been well maintained. We aren’t the handiest people so we’re thinking that the UTV will be easier for us to maintain.

I’m interested in everyone’s input :slight_smile:

A little tractor could do all of that, but don’t go too small, or you’ll have difficulties turning your pile. We have a JD 2320 with a drag harrow, belly mower and a loader and it would probably suit just fine :slight_smile: (Lots of other attachments, too…you’ll find that you start collecting them…)

I don’t know why you’d really need a gator in addition to the tractor with your above list (except for the “fun” factor!)

We have a tractor and a mower (sitting kind). When we lived on 5 non-flat acres, we had a push mower and a tractor.

I don’t think that a mower has enough power to have a FEL and really be useful, imho. Nor does it have the ground clearance that is useful in a 4wd tractor. It might be able to pull a lighter chain link harrow, but not a heavier purpose-built harrow or drag, especially if you need it in bad footing (mud, snow, deep sand).

If I had to choose one, I’d have a tractor, as there’s so much I use my tractor for that I can’t do with my own body. I can push a mower, though…:wink:

Get a tractor. I use mine every day. I use a dumpster for my manure disposal and can’t lift the muck buckets high enough to dump them, so I use my tractor for that. I do all of my snow removal with my tractor, too, using the FEL and a blade I have on the back. Hay bales, dragging the ring, gravel spreading…I couldn’t do it without a tractor. I don’t have a big one, and when I first got a tractor 9 years ago I was plenty intimidated, but it’s worth its weight in gold for the do-it-yourselfer.

Keep the ideas coming, guys :slight_smile: And if you wouldn’t mind pointing me in the direction of specific models that would be amazing too. I was checking these out a few days ago, but I’m not sure it would fit in my budget…would this do everything I needed?https://www.deere.com/en_US/products/equipment/tractors/sub_compact_utility_tractors/1_series/1_series.page?

Go with the tractor, you can use it so many different ways. You can buy the attachments, they all fit the tractor. Check the loader abilities, weight capacity, when you shop tractors. I have a Kubota L2600DT, which can lift 800#. That is a good size for us, holds a lot of sawdust for bedding! It is not TOO big, unused power to be paid for, not utilized. It moves gravel, crushed stone, drags dirt flat with the bucket edge. We get a lot of use out of it.

For attachements, I have a back blade, also good for flattening, spreading dirt, plowing snow. We have lovely finish mower, which mows level with 4 corner wheels, runs off the PTO, very adjustable to height and gives a lawn mower type smooth cut with two blades. I love it for the pastures, which are kept maintained, not brushy or rough. I also have a brush hog mower, which I use outside the fences on the neighbor’s side. It is good for cutting tree sprouts, heavy weeds, with no ill-effects from rough ground. I don’t use it often, but it does tough jobs easily. I used the brush hog on my fields before I got the finish mower, cutting grasses high. I don’t want to ever cut pasture grasses shorter than 5 inches for better growth. It did a nice job, but was harder to keep level since it mounted on the 3-point hitch. Left some scalped spots, but did get the grasses mowed which was the important point.

We have a chain harrow, flexible, with teeth on one side. I find it a really useful tool. With mud you can drag it flat, which smooths the mud, lets it dry faster, smoother. Levels up the ring sand after rain, gets hoof prints gone, manure broke up after using ring as a sacrifice turnout in the spring. With the teeth down, I drag where I spread manure, after mowing, drag pastures to break up manure, or with some weight of tires on the drag, it does a good job smoothing pasture dirt after discing them in the spring. We got our chain harrow from TSC, is about 6ft wide, with two pieces of chain fabric hooked on the pulling bar. Everything comes apart for storing, if you want to do that. A manageable size though heavy. Fabric of chain is MUCH thicker, so is also heavier, which works better for you in dragging uses. This drag has to be 15 years old, still is in excellent shape, with MANY hours of use over the years. I got another chain drag, thought I would like it better because it was both wider and longer. I did not because the wider size was hard to turn, got hung up easier on the gate posts. Metal thickness of the chain fabric was not nearly as heavy, so I had to put a lot more tires on for weight, to keep the teeth down while dragging. Not really enough weight to do the job. I sold that drag, kept the old one which is just easier to use. It is pretty heavy for our Gator, when I just moved it a couple times. Drag effect like that would kill the Gator pretty quick with the weight. Needs a tractor to move it. This is not exactly like ours, but the similar size. As mentioned, check the size of the metal used in chain fabric because heavier, bigger diameter makes a better drag.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/loyal-drag-harrow-6-ft-x-8-ft?cm_vc=-10005

I do have a small disc, which I use to cut pastures in the spring for fertilizing and smoothing out any rough ground from horses in soft dirt. I do NOT disc enough to make the ground all dirt, more like cutting into dirt, grasses, so the cuts allow air, water, to get into the soil easier. I fertilize, then run the chain drag over everything to smooth it up. Even if it looks rough when I finish, spring rain, warm sun gets the grasses growing quickly, so fields are smooth surfaced, good pasture when horses are finally switched from hay to full time grazing. Usually have mowed the fields a couple times by then which adds a bit of mulch with those clippings left to lay. This disc is 5ft wide, has two rows of discs so they do a nice job in cutting up the dirt. I do have it weighted too (more old tires tied on), so the disc blades stay in our hard ground. Tractor easily manages the small disc in work, can lift it clear of ground for travel to put it away.

We have an older manure spreader, used daily for cleaning stalls. I empty daily as well, but I have more acres than you, so composting might be your better way to dispose of manure. Then dump the compost on your fields, spread with the chain drag. You could clean into tractor bucket, dump it on the pile and have no need for a spreader. Bucket lets you turn the pile to get air into it, composts quicker.

With your small acreage, you don’t need to go crazy with machinery, but you don’t want lawn tools either. You are keeping up pasture, not lawns. Having the tractor and attachments, you should get away spending less. Check for USED tractors, USED attachments over new. The price savings is huge. Most are quite basic in design, with the mowers being the most complicated and needing some upkeep with greasing the gear box, wheels, blade attachments and sharpening of blades. Regular disc will need greasing too, each year before use. Find your local tractor dealers, get a brand that has a dealer nearby for parts or service if needed. Saves a LOT of driving time.

yup, get a tractor. The biggest you can afford and or justify for the size of the operation. 4 wheel drive is a must. Don’t get a toy one. Save up if you have to to get a proper one.

Tractor and either a belly mower or if it’s too big, a finish mower. Our lawn tractor is great for what it does but totally unmanageable trying to drag a sand arena. Kubota tractor picks up the slack. Even better would have been getting one that does everything

Your budget may be a little low if you look at the ones I consider low maintenance/high quality like Kubota

B/O has a medium sized Kubota that can hay (mower, tedder, rake and round baler), plow snow, move round bales out to pastures, and drag the indoor and outdoor arenas. There’s a zero-turn Kubota mower for the lawns around the house and paddocks. 2-wheel drive Gator serves for collecting and depositing manure on the pile, and delivering square bales to the paddocks, and other miscellaneous tasks. It puts up with a fair amount of abuse. A good combination for what she needs: 18 stall barn, currently about 30 horses on the property which includes a 40-acre or so hayfield. DH uses the tractor to make us tracks around the field when it snows.

Small tractor (20-25 hp.). Don’t go too small; you’ll be sorry. Sometimes there is no real substitute for horse power!

G.

Smaller tractor. I have a John Deere 445 that I bought 19 years ago. It is a 22 or 24 horsepower, with a front end loader and a 60" mower deck. I have used it HARD for the past 19 years and it has been excellent. I have used it for everything from mowing, snow removal, moving manure piles, cleaning the barn, and even removing dead stock (full sized pigs) from our bank barn. It was bigger enough to handle weight up to 400 lbs., yet small enough to fit into the bottom part of our bank barn.

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Keep the ideas coming, guys :slight_smile: And if you wouldn’t mind pointing me in the direction of specific models that would be amazing too. I was checking these out a few days ago, but I’m not sure it would fit in my budget…would this do everything I needed?https://www.deere.com/en_US/products/equipment/tractors/sub_compact_utility_tractors/1_series/1_series.page?[/QUOTE]

I would call that too small. The 1025R may be okay, but it’s really wee. It’s not even all about the HP–the hydraulics matter, too. You need the ooomph to use the loader and various other implements.

We have the 2320 (next series up) and it’s been good for us–but is still sometimes too small. I often wish we had something in the 3000 series, and would hesitate to go smaller.

And look at used tractors :slight_smile:

Kubota SubCompact BX series is sized for your property type and needs. However, your budget will be a challenge, even for used as these hold their value for a long time. Mine is from 2000 and I can easily get more than half of what I paid for it if I were selling today. New, you can get 0% financing if that helps…

Ours is a Kubota B7800 - here are some used ones for sale: http://www.tractorhouse.com/list/list.aspx?Manu=KUBOTA&MDLGrp=B7800

I use that thing at least once a day. It has done so much work for us and is still going strong. At the time we were buying this tractor (back in 2004), we looked at John Deere’s but they were way more expensive.

You won’t regret getting a tractor.

Godhors Wow, I’m going to print off your reply and save it! So much useful info, thank you very much!

Now you guys have me really excited about tractors and DH is just rolling his eyes :lol:! Long term plan is to move to a larger acreage in the next 5ish years, so I’m trying to convince him a tractor would be a better long term investment anyway!

I’m really interested in those Kubotas, I believe that’s what my trainer has at her barn, I’ll check it out today.

Thanks again for all of the help, I’m sure I’ll be back with more questions as we start to narrow down our decision!

ETA: We may have the opportunity to buy an older 4wd gator for next to nothing. If we get a tractor, it’ll likely have to wait until summer/fall so we can save up a bit more, so in the meantime would the gator have the hp to pull a newer spreader or chain drag? I want to cry every time I have to pull that d@mn wheelbarrow all the way back to the manure pile, and I’d love to be able to drag the pasture.

You will have a hard time staying under budget buying a tractor and all the attachments you will need. I have a Newer Spreader and until recently pulled it with my JD Lawn Tractor. I just bought a Polaris Ace ($7K) to pull the spreader in the snow and mud (and it starts much easier than my mower in winter) and I will use it to drag my ring too. I have a lot more land than you do but my lawn takes 2-3 hours to mow with my JD. I have a large JD tractor that I use to mow my fields, plow, blade, etc.

I dunno, the OP’s list of tasks is not very ambitious. There are lot of tractor enablers here :lol: (kinda like you know the answer you’re going to get if you post “should I buy this cute pony?” or “should I get the 1/2 or 3/4ton towing vehicle?” :wink: ) Of course that bigger tractor can do a lot more work, and I know everyone says that when you have that beast sitting there in the shed, you’ll actually DO jobs that otherwise would never get done (i.e. it’ll make work for itself).
But it’s a Big Investment that deserves some serious thought about how often do you actually envision needing to do that work? The many thousands more that you’ll spend to get a 30-40hp tractor may not be worth it if you rarely use those capabilities. You can always hire out for one-off projects.

Honestly, a subcompact utility tractor seems perfectly capable of a routine task list for a 3-10ac property that does not need major renovations. If you think the next farm will be more than 10ac, or you are buying propery that needs a lot of work, then yeah you’ll want to upsize the tractor

We have 35ac, about half in timber. So that’s 17ac to maintain and we do it all with an ATV. We pull a drag/harrow, newer spreader, and we have a Swisher trail cutter mower for our pastures, works great. It’s not a finish mower but everything looks tidy enough. And we have a snowplow attachment to clear the driveway.

But, of course no FEL or hydraulics to run a box blade or other useful earth-shaping tools like a small backhoe attachment. Or a post pounder to replace the miles of fencing that’s coming due for replacement. So yes, a tractor is definitely in our future.

But just saying that you’d ABSOLUTELY be fine for a year or two with that Gator and a few implements.

I still say the tractor is a better buy, not sure what “next to nothing” is for a Gator with 4WD. I just think pulling a drag like I described, is going to be over-working it doing an arena or fields. From here to there, no problem, but work by the hour, maybe too much. Smaller drag could be a solution, but you spend more time covering the ground with the Gator. Trade offs you should consider.

On the tractor angle, old tractors, Ford 8N is real common by us, about $1400 to $2000 for one that has very nice tires, works and starts easily. They have the PTO to run tools like a brush hog, hydraulics for blade, and lots of power for just dragging or disc, a self-propelled Newer Spreader if that is what you like. Other brands of older tractors out there too, still in the low end of prices. You give up the loader bucket, but you can MANAGE without a bucket. We did for years. 8N managed all the tools I listed in my first post, with no trouble.

On the down side with older machines, is often they need “tinkering” with regularly. Old design, old technology, plus often has MANY hours of use on them. Husband learned to fix Bessie with the manual, got a lot of satisfaction “curing her ills” before we got the Kubota. She got dedicated to just hauling the manure spreader, made life easier that way. I am SO spoiled now with both tractors to use!

Point is that I used the old Ford 8N, kids drove it doing chores, for over 20 years, managed fine in all kinds of needed farm jobs. It is a “real” tractor that is not too big, not tiny, gets what you need done at a low cost. Time working on older machines should be considered a bonus, husband now is quite the mechanic, when he NEVER was before! Able and confident to try fixing all kinds of things now. Cursing the tractor gets creative, shows tractor you “ARE NOT KIDDING” when you threaten it!! Lets him get his frustrations out, by cursing the tractor up one side and down the other! Amazing how often the tractor takes right off with a good cursing!!

Perhaps another old tractor brand is more available in your area, parts easily found than the Ford 8Ns. Folks often hate Fords, but will try other old brands. Just so easy to find around here, really cheap, easy to fix most of their issues yourself. Anything JD is expensive in comparison, even old. But they are a good brand name, can always be fixed if you want to spend the money for parts.

I love my Katy Kubota, we do a lot of work together. When we were looking for a loader tractor it was funny. Husband works for lots of people who use smaller tractors. He asked them the good and bad about their tractors. EVERY other brand the owners would sell it to you NOW. The Kubota folks would only sell IF they were moving to a larger or smaller model. Otherwise you could not pry their fingers off the steering wheel!! Very loyal to the brand. We lucked into a nice used tractor, BIL of a barn owner, didn’t need tractor anymore and had moved out of State. I love her dearly!

Just don’t think you have to start with new, expensive, to get jobs done. Gator and tractor are not really interchangeable, made for different jobs, though both can drag things. Just lots easier with a tractor’s power. I have a 2WD Gator, ONLY because my Mother won it in a raffle and gave it to us! I would never have spent the money to buy one, thought they were cute but mostly a toy. I enjoy using it, kind of like a big wheelbarrow to haul stuff for fence work, hay for feeding outside now. If I didn’t have it, I would be dragging a sled with hay. I could manage without it, but do enjoy having it. Never would be on my list of “needed” implements for a farmette. Walking is good for me, juggling the tools, not so fun. But a garden wagon did a good job for that before the Gator came along.

Big small Kubota, as recommended here, or similar John Deere, 20 HP ish.

Used ones often don’t save a lot but if you find one that was owned by a gentleman farmer (retired guy with time and money to putter) can be a good buy. Have a dealer check it out, and don’t get sucked into Craiglist scams that are far too good to be true.

Both Kubota and John Deere are super-easy to drive, too. They are what I call Chick Tractors, meaning you are not going to scare yourself, drive through the house, pull out miles of fencing accidentally, or anything else.

Good move would be to go see your local JD and Kubota dealers, tell them what you’re looking for, and drive some around. You’ll have a grin on your face in no time as you think of chores for those babies to do.

And realistically, even if you can find used, think about $15K minimum for what you want. You can add implements as you go, but get the tractor with a front end loader to start, and the mower, then hunt for deals on the other things.

Great financing on the tractors, so it’s easy to get into one… and you really will use it a ton more than you think. I’d stay away from a Gator-ish thing until you have more experience with your land and using the tractor. You may find use for them, or not. But you can easily drop a grand for relatively minor repairs if they’ve been used hard… money better spent on a splendid tractor.

My .04

Have fun tractor-shopping!