What would you feed a young OTTB?

I have a 4 year old OTTB mare that I just adore. My husband just lost his job, so I am moving her from our very nice, cushy boarding/training facility to a rough board situation at a sort of rough and tumble local place that thankfully has an indoor, all day turnout, and a bathroom (oh, the luxury!). My husband is going to be in charge of stall cleaning while I’m at work, and feed is up to me. I’m really excited to have total control over what she eats, but with so many options, I’m not sure what to do.

Right now she gets 1/2 lb. Sentinel LS + 1/2 lb. timothy pellets + 1 lb. alfalfa pellets twice a day, soaked, along with just about a bale of hay a day (breakfast/turnout/dinner/night check). I could just continue feeding her this way, but I’m interested to see what other people feed their kids!

I’d be curious as to why a young horse is getting a low starch feed. Usually they are way more expensive. I know my BO uses it for the few horses that may be Cushings, or IR, but everyone else gets a quality feed that’s mid range.

Whatever you decide, make changes slowly. You don’t say whether all day TO is on pasture, and if so, the quality of said pasture. The last place sounds as though pasture was not an option.

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That’s what the barn feeds. They switched from Tribute Kalm N Ez to the Sentinel LS. Her paddock has grass but it is maybe 1/4" high and doesn’t grow much more than that since she’s out on it all day. The new place is basically the same situation.

1lb of the Sentinel is way under-feeding it from a nutrition perspective. At that little amount, I’d use a ration balancer - whatever one you can get.

If you can get Triple Crown Sr, that formula is nearly identical to what the Growth formula used to be, and is quite suitable for a young horse as well as the Srs.

You’re currently feeding 4lb/day of a mix. You can feed 4-5lb of TC Sr, and that’s that, and see how it goes weight-wise. It will be a few more calories than what you have now, but not necessarily enough more to cause a weight issue.

If it did, you could drop down to TC Lite.

Or, if his weight fluctuates enough based on work and growing, you can do a ration balancer as your base, 1-2lb, and then keep a couple pounds hay pellets. Alfalfa would be good if the hay/grass is all/mostly grass and not alfalfa.

1/4" high grass - are you sure about that? Most grass will die pretty quickly if it’s regularly grazed that low. Is there supplemental hay?

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I didn’t include supplements. She gets a multi-vitamin, joint supplement, and one of the Smartpak colicare eligible supplements.

The grass is very low. There’s ground coverage and it’s green, but it’s very short. I haven’t physically measured it, though. As I mentioned in my first post, they do get hay during turnout… 3 flakes in a hay net.

I think switching to a full grain ration would be fine. She’s young, and she’s more of a hard keeper than an easy keeper. I was thinking of going to a Senior grain.

I totally missed the hay part, my apologies! Ok, so forage is good.

Many Sr feeds are fairly high in sugars. For example, Nutrena SafeChoice Sr is 20% NSC. That’s not terrible, there are worse, but there are also better. And 20% is not something I’d choose to feed a young horse, but that’s just me.

I work with TBs only. From last cover to the starting. Steeplechase horses also. Re-school for sport, train ones that don’t show me enough to warrant the expense of training to race. Take in re-schools off the track. I breed some to be sold at the weanling, yearling or 2 year old in training sales. Its how I make my living. Raising them “right”, keeping them in good flesh and coat is pretty darn important. Up until recently we were breeding and foaling 30± every year.

TBs have a high metabolism as rule. My feed program is a bit boring, does not involve rocket science, a bit old school but tried and true. My proof in in our pudding to anyone that walks around our farm looking at the 25+ (down from 50+) of various ages, genders, and uses. Pasture pets also. They all are in excellent flesh and coats, dappled coats that haven’t had a brush on them for months, some of them for years.

We feed a grain based mix, oats and corn, basic spectrum of mineral content with a touch of molasses to keep “things” from separating out. 8-14% protein, 8-12%+ fat. The only supplement I use for my broodmares and youngsters is Calf-Mana. Horses in training or horses that tend to be on the light side of things I use Ultimate Finish fat supplement that comes in various “strengths”. I also like fat cat. We have very good grass so only hay being fed during grass season are with horse that are stalled.

I do not worry about “starch” nor do any of the TB breeders that I know and respect. The science behind this is very weak IMO and there is one that is going to convince me other wise. I used a well know “nutritionist company” and the expensive feed and feeding amounts they recommended. Worst mistake I ever made. Our horses feel apart, costs big bucks and a few clients.

TBs as a breed do not have metabolic issues as a rule. Not my words nor feelings. But those of some of the top vets in the TB field of expertise.

TBs even pasture pets by and large need around 6 lbs a day of a good quality feed with an appropriate amount of fat when the grass is good. Stalled horses the about same depending on their work load and they get 15+ lbs of a good quality Orchard or Timothy. I don’t feed alfalfa as a rule. Stopped spending the extra money on that years ago and have never had a reason to go back.

Horses in moderate training, work load, 8-10 lbs of feed, horses in serious training 10-12+ lbs, our long yearlings that will go to the sales in the fall 12+lbs per day, At this feeding rate we break it into 3 feeding per day. Horse that are in the 6 lbs per day get feed twice a day, 3 lbs morning, night.

For the record we have only had a couple of cases of mild colic. A few yearlings that had some minor issues with OCDs that were easily address and or left to resolve on their own. Which all of them did. No issues with epiphysitis now referred to as Physitis with our youngsters.

My feed program is not out of the ordinary, or old school in my industry. Horse “nutritionist” by and large work from “theory” most of which is derived from “humans”. I personally think they are “selling a bill of goods”. But they sure make it sound like it is worth the money and trouble. I have done my own “studies” on a fairly large population or horses all of which are or have been under my management. I have put a LOT of money where my mouth is.

Anybody that disagrees fair enough. To each their own. They are more than welcome if they should happen to be in my neck of the woods to stop in and have have a look around.

Understand all of the above is based a number of things, management besides “just feed”. Is based on having good grass, good turn out and training practices. Those that don’t have this luxury may and will have to make certain adjustments to compensate for what is lacking.

Took this picture last week of a 4 year old that hasn’t had a brush on him since last summer. Just pulled his mane. Been turned out 24/7. A little on the chubby side of things but he is going back into training and I like them to be on the chubby side. That will soon enough turn into muscle.
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I feed my TBs hay and pasture, with a trace mineral salt lick. Our regular hay is too high in protein for two of them, it tests out around 18%. So those two get hay grown off some meadow fields, native grasses and lower protein without the alfalfa. Our regular hay is about 30% alfalfa, with a mixture of other grasses, orchard, timothy etc, and dandelion. Some horses here are pasture pets or retired, some are hunter/jumpers at the local shows. It’s pretty easy, not rocket science. If racing or in other high output sports, things get slightly more complicated, due to the stresses of high level competition over long duration. Don’t make it more complicated than it needs to be. The hay (or pasture) is the important part. Get good quality hay. And a trace mineral block. Then go from there as to what else might be of benefit to your horse, in your situation.

I should probably also mention workload. This is a 4 year old who is about 9 months into bowed tendon rehab. We just started limited cantering. I ride 5-6 times a week for a minimum of 45 minutes, usually an hour or longer with all the walking we do (15 min warmup/cooldown minimum with lots of breaks). Lots of work outside on hills. Lots of work over poles.

She is getting a ton of forage right now with her bale a day and around 3 qts of alfalfa and timothy pellets. Could I get away with this and just add a ration balancer? Would the ration balancer allow me to cut out the multivitamin supplement? Does anyone feed a full ration of grain along with lots of hay these days?

To answer simply. Yes, yes, and some. Some horses have the need for that many calories (thinking upper level eventers or racehorses), your average horse getting the amount of hay you describe would probably get a little (or a lot) fat with that much grain and hay.

Ration balancer - check. If the weight is good, the RB is a great way to obtain high nutrition.

Yes, cut out the v/m supplement.

Yes, people do feed a full ration of grain with all you can eat hay/grass. Some horses simply require that many extra calories. for a number of reasons.

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I have a 4 yo, 15.3 1/2 TB (appendix) mare. She is in light work and doing well on:

Grass hay - Maybe 10# (hay is light and part is consumed in herd turnout, so no way to know exactly how much)
Alfalfa - approximately 8#
Negligible forage during turnout

Renew Gold - 1#
Smart Muscle Mass
Equerry’s Choice vitamin supplement
Salt/electrolyte mixture

She is energetic without being too high, coat looks great and her weight is great, so I’m sticking with it.

My 4yo OTTB came to me a bit thinner than I like, so he’s getting 24/7 turnout with lovely grass hay free choice, and Tribute Kalm Ultra, he’s gaining and looking great!