Hope this is vague enough…Not currently weaned/for sale/pictured anywhere, … Gorgeous headed, correct conformation, dark seal brown/star TB filly o/o a painted TB mare (dominant white), but no spots or roaning. Will mature 16.2 to 16.3 hands. Well handled. Outstanding pedigree for sport or racing. Does anyone buy weanlings?? What is a fair price these days?? Thanks.
Well since groups like Canter will sell a Tb for $500, it will be interesting to see what people say. I imagine if the dam and sire were super proven in racing or eventing or jumping, it would greatly increase the price.
For example a Fred offspring is not going to be a CANTER cutie. But if the sire was an average race horse and the mare was registered then it would be a harder sell. I guess color factors into it.
ps-the pedigree has to have recent horses that have proven themselves so when you say outstanding, is that 3 gens back or recent winners? If he has an outstanding racing pedigree, then can’t young Tb’s for huge money?
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/thoroughbred-sales/results-new/2014/8060/keeneland-2014-january-horses-of-all-ages-sale
$240k, that would be pretty good price for a yearling Wb 
“Outstanding pedigree for racing” can mean anything. What sort of class are we talking?
I don’t think any of those painted TBs have done much at the track, so I would assume the mare doesn’t have black type and hasn’t produced black type?
I would expect the filly would have more value for sport than to race if so. When I was looking a few years ago, I found that bred for sport TB fillies were selling for $5kish - $7500 ish at 2 - 3 years old.
$500- $150,000. Depends on the horse and the market. If you’re selling it as a sporthorse I would guess under $5k unless it is truly outstanding (good enough to win on the line at Devon etc.)
As others have said, more info would be needed to decide how outstanding the pedigree and/or physical is for racing. In that venue, for the right weanling, the sky’s the limit. But more likely with a color bred TB, you will be looking for a sport horse home and prices there are usually very reasonable.
Thanks for the input. I’ve kept the details vague…I hate getting banned!! Dam is a painted TB out of a respectable bloodline. (Full sister to Jagged Illusion and another mare who sold for $25k as a jumper) Her sire is our “Challenged” stallion - stud fee on his sire (Unbridled’s Song) is $175k, first four dam’s on mother sire are ALL multiple stakes winners themselves AND multiple stakes producers. We are not near an area with “good” TB Horse Sales - Lower Midwest. I’d rather she went as a sport horse/show horse than to the track despite DH having trained Top TB’s for over 40 years…Our area is NOT kind to race horses!! Yes, I do think she would stand respectably on the line, but that too, is far away. I’d rather sell her at a fair price where she will have a better future than end up as a $500 Canter Cutie!! ALL of the horses I’ve sold in the past 9 years have gone FAR AWAY!!! As in Ca., Wisconsin, Va., Minnesota, Tx. NY, so not looking at the local market…where most home breds are 14 hands!!!
Here’s a link to the OBS results from this week: http://obssales.com/octresults/2014/
You’ll see the weanlings go from $1,000 to $35,000 or more. It was generally considered a weak sale. Pedigrees were much more modest than what I’m used to seeing in Kentucky, but that’s typical for state-bred. The weanling pinhook market has been building steadily (at least at Keeneland), so good weanlings can draw a decent price.
Not trying to be rude, but your stallion being a son of UBS may be unimportant. What was his race record? What is his produce record? There are dozens of UBS sons at stud, many of them proven producers or at the very least “hot” with the current market (such as Old Fashioned).
I can’t say what she’s worth as a sport horse prospect. I think it’s pretty tough to get a good price on a TB weanling for sport in a market flooded with warmbloods and the predominant attitude that WBs are automatically better bred for sport. If you want a decent price for her as a sport horse, you may end up keeping her till 3 or 4 and going under saddle. JMHO
Challenged’s Dam is by AP Indy…still a pretty good sire as I recall. I’m not offended by any input…I know TB babies aren’t a hot item these days…we sell our 3/4 TB, ISH’s a lot faster than the pure TB’s. I’m not looking to make a fortune “when” i offer her for sale…just some advice. Here is Challenged’s pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/challenged I know pedigree doesn’t mean much for TB sport horses, either. She is a very nice, fancy filly though.
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Challenged’s Dam is by AP Indy…still a pretty good sire as I recall. I’m not offended by any input…I know TB babies aren’t a hot item these days…we sell our 3/4 TB, ISH’s a lot faster than the pure TB’s. I’m not looking to make a fortune “when” i offer her for sale…just some advice. Here is Challenged’s pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/challenged I know pedigree doesn’t mean much for TB sport horses, either. She is a very nice, fancy filly though.[/QUOTE]
For racing purposes, Challenged’s pedigree is immaterial since he himself was unraced. By the way, Unbridleds Song never stood for 175K (he is now deceased so he has no current stud fee.) What is the name of the weanling’s stakes winning and stakes producing dam?
In our area free. Many local TB breeders GIVE their babies away to race homes, hoping to get Breeders money if the horse ends up racing well. A few years ago (before the economy crashed) I bred a few full TB sport horses. We were getting $3,500-5k for the very nice ones that were fancy enough to show on the line.
I would keep her and put her under saddle. You stand to make much more if she is talented and you would give her a better chance. Could she be an eventer? Or a hunter?
Horses without pedigree cache do better if they are sold under saddle, especially if they do have talent. You probably know that, but it is hard when you see value that other people might not see because she is so young. Many people do not recognize young horses for what they are. The same is true for Wb breeders that do not use trendy lines but nevertheless have really nice stock.
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For racing purposes, Challenged’s pedigree is immaterial since he himself was unraced. By the way, Unbridleds Song never stood for 175K (he is now deceased so he has no current stud fee.) What is the name of the weanling’s stakes winning and stakes producing dam?[/QUOTE]
I am surprised that the OP doesn’t realize that an unraced son of Unbridled’s Song is not impressive as a sire. Any unraced Unbridled’s Song offspring is (to people without a sentimental interest, and no further knowledge of the horse in question) suspect of being unsound.
No offense meant at all OP, we all have a soft spot for our own, but being an unraced son of an albeit lovely horse known to produce unsound get, will not unsure high prices for HIS get.
I am interested in the dam as well. Black type 3 generations back?
Sport horse would most likely be more profitable if she is the right type, but not to sell as a weanling…
Pmd you, but not more than 5 k if sire isn’t a proven race or show horse himself.
In either 2009/2010 there was a few painted TB yearlings that went thru the Sept sale at keeneland. None of them sold, they were all RNAs. I think one of them didn’t even bring a bid and the others, only a couple thousand. I later seen those horses for sale on another equine site listed at $7500 & $10,500 and those ads were up for a long time. During the last book of the sale, there’s a lot of people from all over and lower levels and they wouldn’t touch those horses for racing.
So I would market them for sporthorses and not even bother with the racing market.
I have a filly by an Unbridled Song son, but one that raced and won and was quite durable. She sold at Keeneland as a weaning or a yearling (forget which, would have to go look it up) for $1000.
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Dam is a painted TB out of a respectable bloodline. (Full sister to Jagged Illusion and another mare who sold for $25k as a jumper) [/QUOTE]
Huh. The mystery deepens. Jagged Illusion’s dam, Miss Lucky Priss, only has one JC registered foal.
My filly did sell as a weanling at Keeneland November. Here is her page–fairly weak, which explains the low price. Her dam did win over $60k in 25 starts, but was only competitive at the claiming level. She produced winners that ran at the same level.
Her sire is a G2 winner of over $750k who went on to produce Dullahan, who was 3rd in the Kentucky Derby. But even at the time this filly was sold, EtS had produced a G1 winner and his get had earned over $5M. To date, he’s up to over $14M in earnings in 7 crops of racing age. And this yearling of his STILL only brought $3k at Keeneland.
I’m sharing these details to give you a watermark on how a weanling with a weak page to race sells on the open market. I bought this filly as an unbroke 2 yo for sport. She’s quite tall, large framed, quite attractive and very, very easy to deal with. Pretty mover. But not worth much of anything as a race horse
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In either 2009/2010 there was a few painted TB yearlings that went thru the Sept sale at keeneland. None of them sold, they were all RNAs. I think one of them didn’t even bring a bid and the others, only a couple thousand. I later seen those horses for sale on another equine site listed at $7500 & $10,500 and those ads were up for a long time. During the last book of the sale, there’s a lot of people from all over and lower levels and they wouldn’t touch those horses for racing.
So I would market them for sporthorses and not even bother with the racing market.[/QUOTE]
Just note…Not all painted TB’s are created equal. We breed for quality…not the color.
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I am surprised that the OP doesn’t realize that an unraced son of Unbridled’s Song is not impressive as a sire.
No offense meant at all OP, we all have a soft spot for our own, but being an unraced son of an albeit lovely horse known to produce unsound get, will not unsure high prices for HIS get.
I am interested in the dam as well. Black type 3 generations back?
Sport horse would most likely be more profitable if she is the right type, but not to sell as a weanling…[/QUOTE]
I get the feeling the OP is not breeding for the racing market; more for the ammie sporthorse with color market.
As many others have noted, there are nice TBs fresh off the track (many of which are sound) going for $2000 and under. This spring I got a 4 yr old mare who was still abit off from a suspensory injury in her last race (got her for a recip mare). Paid $200 for her. ANd she was rideable…but the person who bought her didn’t want to wait for her to be sound. This mare’s sire actually won some G2 races (see pedigree)http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/memos+star although the mare herself didn’t do anything on the track.
She was a bit thin & her feet were in crappy shape, but she certainly wasn’t on death’s door.
I fed her up, and by the first of Oct. she look and move great. When it turned out I didn’t need her, I GAVE her away…and was thrilled to find a good home.
I would try advertising the filly for $2500…and if you get it, I would consider yourself very lucky.
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Just note…Not all painted TB’s are created equal. We breed for quality…not the color.[/QUOTE]
Quality perhaps…but for what job? It cannot be for racing because there are no good “painted” racehorses. In fact I can’t think of another horse sport where color matters less than it does in racing.
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Quality perhaps…but for what job? It cannot be for racing because there are no good “painted” racehorses. In fact I can’t think of another horse sport where color matters less than it does in racing.[/QUOTE]
Jumping. Anything works but donkey colored :lol:
