What's the Shire Sporthorse scene like?

Can anyone tell me a bit about Shire Sporthorses…now that discovered I have one! A bit of background:

I bought lovely a 6 yr old mare last year. I was told she was an unregistered Irish Sporthorse. She has a terrific disposition, basic training was solid and she passed the PPE, ticked all my boxes, so I bought her at a very fair price. She was at a small sale barn and they had gotten her at a dispersal sale, hence no papers. That was fine with me as I’m not breeding, just wanted a safe sane sporthorse for mid-level dressage/eventing for myself.

Through a serious of coincidences, I was put in touch with my mare’s breeder. She’s not ISH after all. Her the dam is a reg. Shire/TB with the Shire Sporthorse registry. Sire is a well-known TB imported from Ireland. So my horse is 3/4 TB + 1/4 Shire. She looks 100% TB, but is a super steady easy-going type.

The long route to my question: Should I register her as a Shire Sporthorse? Is there any value in doing so if…years down the line I decide to sell her or heaven forbid “need” to sell her?

I had no problems buying her thinking she was an unreg. ISH. Don’t know if she were a reg. ISH would she have been more expensive? ISHs are gettng a bit “trendy” in some circles, haven’t heard of Shire Sporthorses getting the same buzz. I know WB fanciers put more stock/value on the horse if it’s registered, but for horses that are draftXs, is the cost or effort of registering the horse worth doing?

Would appreciate any input!!

3/4 TB - Shire… or Clyde crosses are usually GREAT horses!! We used to breed Clyde crosses…Now we breed 3/4 TB - Irish horses and they are great too!! One speaks with a brogue…others not so much. I don’t know if papers would get you as much as a performance record!! The 3/4 TB gets you the physical attributes…the draft gets you the brain!! JMO

Thanks crosscreek. My girl is athletic, balanced with the brains to keep things fun. She is a GREAT horse! I’ve done dressage forever and never thought I’d be brave enough to attempt eventing, but my girl’s confidence is contagious. She’s light on her feet, but not flighty or hot.

Frankly I don’t see a strong reason to register her. This is our first eventing season and we’ve finished 1st thru 3rd. Moving up and reg. with the USEA, so was just curious if I should do more…

Thanks for your feedback! Actions do speak louder than words (reg.) in eventing land!

also agree that a performance record will do more for resale value than papers but if the registration is not to costly or too much of a pita I would do it. It gives you a convenient proof of age and a legal description. Also I do find some people are very opinionated on what type of draft is best in a cross, so it won’t hurt to have proof.

I would get her registered since you know who her sire and dam are. It offers her some options if she was ever injured and used as a broodmare.

You could go Shire Sporthorse or AWS (American Warmblood Society). Not sure which one is cheaper. Performance is great and the best tool but you never know what the future holds.

Update:

For curious minds, I just spoke to the ASHA. They only register 1/2 Shires as Shire Sporthorses. Unlike Irish Sporthorses, who can be 1/2, 3/4, 7/8 or 15/16th (TB to Irish Draught) crosses, the ASHA only registers as Sporthorses offspring who have 1 parent being full-blooded Shire.

So that takes care of that issue!

There are other registry/documentation options. It will really benefit her if you ever sell her to have some kind of documentation of bloodline.

I know it isn’t costly ($215 for lifetime registration) to just register her with AWS. She doesn’t need to be inspected or anything else.

OR you can go AES (not sure of cost) for just recording her and getting microchipped. I 100% agree with Summer from Silver Creek Farm.

AES(NA) passports are directly issued from AES. So they are reciprocal. They are one and the same. There had to be an AESNA site because the registration options had to be altered on the form to make sense to NA breeders. But the passports are the same.

Many of the major registries offer “Horse Identification” passports. They do this in the EU because it is a requirement by EU law that every horse have a microchip and a passport with a 15-digit UELN number. On the AES site there is the option of “neither parent AES registered” for the following reasons:

1.) If the parents are registered with the AES, it will auto-fill the parents information if it is already in their database, so if they are not, then it will ask you to fill in the parent information if it is available

2.) If the parent is already approved by the AES or a recognized WBFSH registry that is approved with the AES it will make the foal/horse eligible for a certain color/level of passport.

3.) It provides an option for US horses who have never been registered with a breed registry but cannot prove pedigree to obtain a “HORSE IDENTIFICATION” passport that links a 15 digit UELN number with a microchip number.

The third option was crucial to the success of the microchip rule being passed at USHJA and USEF and was primarily directed at American breeders/owners who have been producing horses without registration. We also now have the USEF/USHJA rule that requires horses’ CP or breed papers/passport in order to compete in USHJA age restricted classes beginning Dec. 1, 2017. It is about changing the mindset of our culture. It has to start somewhere. When deciphering whether a breed registry is one of “those” registries it is important to look at whether the registry is issuing “full” papers, a “CP”, or “Horse ID” paper or passport. The word “registered” has been used as an all encompassing word, but sometimes there are many levels. Horses registered through the AES site in the US that do not have proof of pedigree or from unapproved parents will get a Horse Identification Passport. Nothing more.

This subject of horse identification and registration has been discussed in length with all the breed registries in joint meetings and they are willing to help and contribute. There are already other breed registries in the US issuing these “Horse ID” papers/passports. This permanent attachment of a horse ID and microchip number to the horse in conjunction with the new horse ID/microchipping rules is designed to lead into a system that minimizes fraud and create an infrastructure that supports American breeders, such as ones on this forum, to be able to track their horses throughout their entire life in sport and in breeding. Time to start connecting the dots.

Get papers if you can. It’s a relief to buyers down the road just to be sure of things like age. Too many “grade” horses get sold as younger than they are and papers are at least some insurance against this, especially if the horse is microchipped and the number is recorded on the papers (that assures it is the same horse).