When a stranger enters your property at night... WWYD?

I’d grab my little 20 gauge pump action and call the cops, make sure all the doors and windows are locked, and monitor the individual from inside with my 90lb dog. I’d also call/text other family and friends.

I think, in your situation, you did everything right. I’d look into some kind of self defense - whether it’s WASP spray, actual mace, a bat, a gun… something. Not sure a riding whip would inspire the kind of fear you’d be looking for! :lol:

But that’s just my opinion. I’m fairly small and wouldn’t stand a chance against most rivals, so I’ll take any advantage I can if it means protecting me and mine.

They meet my dogs. One has a bark that can stop you dead in your tracks. The other one sneaks in quietly from behind. How they learned to tag team I will never know.

Process servers do work crazy hours so they can catch the person at home - I worked for a surgeon who got the begeegees scared out of him one morning at 4:30 in the morning when a process server approached him as he was leaving for the hospital. I’d get a couple of Beware of Dogs and no tresspassing signs. No one has to know your dogs are lacking in the watchdog department

As others have said, call the police, and call your neighbor, letting both know that the other will be there.

Wasp spray is a concentrated stream and less likely to fly back on you, where as pepper spray is more of a wide mist and frequently blows back on people.

Get a gun safe and a gun, or a conceal and carry permit and keep it with you at all times.

If you can afford it, a large dog, something from a LGD family or a schutzhund trained bloodline might work well. An LGD won’t back down from other dogs, strangers, or coyotes. Proper training and socialization is a must though.

I’m the crazy neighbor no one dares to mess with, I’m the one they call, a single female in her late 20’s, all of 5 feet tall, but I scare the crap out of people when I’m angry. (Maybe it’s a Napoleon complex?)
I’ve physically picked up a guy more than twice my size and threw him across the road one time, literally picked him up over my head and tossed him like a rag doll, I wasn’t even trying hard. It wasn’t the last time I threw a guy either, you’d be surprised at how strong you are when you’re scare/ angry.

I like Lot’s of Teeth, and T-Rex.
I have a cat, 7 pounds of fur, teeth and claws that’ll take someone out on my behalf. He literally flung himself at my kitchen window one night when an intruder was trying to break in and I was alone.
I was walking towards the kitchen and suddenly Bo jumped in front of me, screaming and spitting, charged the window, the sound of his claws on the glass and the snarling, were scarier than the intruder. I spotted the guy at the same time he saw me…I went after him. full on rage mode, he ran for dear life. He probably didn’t know what to make of the insane cat and girl, LOL.

If you have no trespassing signs and a closed gate, closed barn, closed pasture gates, you have a trespassing situation.

I’d press charges. Against him and his employer.

I’d file a complaint with the police at a minimum.

Think how it would have been if your mother were home alone; this is unacceptable behavior.
B. S. on the ‘couldn’t verify the address’ line.

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Thee is some good advice and some terrible advice in this thread.

Good advice…get a gun safe. They make pistol safes that will open instantly, only for you and without complex pass codes that you might forget under stress.

Bad advice…get a toy gun that looks real.

When you point a gun at someone, one of two things will happen…he will run or he will try to kill you before you can shoot. Not good if all you have is a toy.

The first lesson in protecting yourself with a gun is to make a determination that your life is truly, by the judgment of a reasonable person, in danger. Only then do you draw or present the gun and if you do, you fire immediately.

To present, as they refer to it, and not fire is in many jurisdictions evidence that you did not really believe that you were in danger of losing your life.

So is firing in the air or at the ground.

So even if you decide to scare a guy off, which I do not approve of, tell the cops you fired at him but you don’t know whether you hit him.

Never ever tell them you fired in the air or fired a warning shot.

In many jurisdictions, drawing and not shooting is considered brandishing and that in itself is a crime.

So you did the right thing under the circumstances.

If you get a gun, do exactly the same thing except crouch in a protected area and say and do nothing, other than calling for help as you did, but be ready to shoot immediately should the person break into the house.

You do not shoot people in your yard, although there are exceptions to that in TX.

Get a pistol rather than a shotgun. That has been argued forever, but a pistol is easier to handle in a confined area. Preferably a very simple to operate weapon that will not cause you to make a fatal mistake when you are scared.

Semi auto pistols with safeties, magazines not properly inserted and latched, all have caused the victim to lose the weapon to the bad guy.

And practice until you can hit a man sized target at the longest space in your home without looking at the sights. Because most likely you will be either in the dark or in very poor light.

The longest hall in my house is 34 feet. See what yours is and practice at that distance. In truth, the bad guy will be much closer because he will be advancing.

If he gets in the house before you can compete your call for help, immediately hang up. You need both hands on the weapon and your full concentration on what the bad guy is doing.

Besides, if you want to see why you don’t want to be talking on your cell, tonight turn off all of the lights in your bedroom and open your cell and hold it to your face as you would when calling 911. Do this in front of your mirror.

Two things will be very obvious. You are blinded by the light on the cell screen and your face is a perfect target to the bad guy.

Not smart.

In my house, the call will only be made to get the mess cleaned up.

I forgot, take the concealed carry course. They will teach you what the law is in your state whether you ever carry or not. Many of those laws apply to you even at home.

Most important:

Get an alarm. Get one that is monitored by the alarm company.

They will have all of the vital information on record so that when they call the cops, the cops have no confusion about the address, the layout of the house, etc. The alarm company can tell which door or which widow has been breached.

The alarm company will call you to verify there is a problem or not. Even so, if the guy gets inside while you are talking, throw the phone on the floor and concentrate on saving your life.

The alarm company will know what to do when you put the phone down.

[QUOTE=cssutton;7783981]
Thee is some good advice and some terrible advice in this thread.

Good advice…get a gun safe. They make pistol safes that will open instantly, only for you and without complex pass codes that you might forget under stress.

Bad advice…get a toy gun that looks real.

When you point a gun at someone, one of two things will happen…he will run or he will try to kill you before you can shoot. Not good if all you have is a toy.

The first lesson in protecting yourself with a gun is to make a determination that your life is truly, by the judgment of a reasonable person, in danger. Only then do you draw or present the gun and if you do, you fire immediately.

To present, as they refer to it, and not fire is in many jurisdictions evidence that you did not really believe that you were in danger of losing your life.

So is firing in the air or at the ground.

So even if you decide to scare a guy off, which I do not approve of, tell the cops you fired at him but you don’t know whether you hit him.

Never ever tell them you fired in the air or fired a warning shot.

In many jurisdictions, drawing and not shooting is considered brandishing and that in itself is a crime.

So you did the right thing under the circumstances.

If you get a gun, do exactly the same thing except crouch in a protected area and say and do nothing, other than calling for help as you did, but be ready to shoot immediately should the person break into the house.

You do not shoot people in your yard, although there are exceptions to that in TX.

Get a pistol rather than a shotgun. That has been argued forever, but a pistol is easier to handle in a confined area. Preferably a very simple to operate weapon that will not cause you to make a fatal mistake when you are scared.

Semi auto pistols with safeties, magazines not properly inserted and latched, all have caused the victim to lose the weapon to the bad guy.

And practice until you can hit a man sized target at the longest space in your home without looking at the sights. Because most likely you will be either in the dark or in very poor light.

The longest hall in my house is 34 feet. See what yours is and practice at that distance. In truth, the bad guy will be much closer because he will be advancing.

If he gets in the house before you can compete your call for help, immediately hang up. You need both hands on the weapon and your full concentration on what the bad guy is doing.

Besides, if you want to see why you don’t want to be talking on your cell, tonight turn off all of the lights in your bedroom and open your cell and hold it to your face as you would when calling 911. Do this in front of your mirror.

Two things will be very obvious. You are blinded by the light on the cell screen and your face is a perfect target to the bad guy.

Not smart.

In my house, the call will only be made to get the mess cleaned up.

I forgot, take the concealed carry course. They will teach you what the law is in your state whether you ever carry or not. Many of those laws apply to you even at home.

Most important:

Get an alarm. Get one that is monitored by the alarm company.

They will have all of the vital information on record so that when they call the cops, the cops have no confusion about the address, the layout of the house, etc. The alarm company can tell which door or which widow has been breached.

The alarm company will call you to verify there is a problem or not. Even so, if the guy gets inside while you are talking, throw the phone on the floor and concentrate on saving your life.

The alarm company will know what to do when you put the phone down.[/QUOTE]

THIS is the sum total of the best advice offered here!!!
We live in a very secluded, rural area of Oklahoma. We have 5 dogs…two “useless” as protectors, but 2.5 VERY serious guard dogs…a 100 pound, bad a$$ male Boxer…a big love-bug, but with a great sense of protection and a hair trigger, a 120 pound, Boerboel/Ridgeback female named Mako (as in shark) and a very wired Kelpie who would love to bite someone. One of the “non-protectors” can hear a flea fart at 200 yards and alerts everyone else. We have assorted guns at the ready (no children at home) and both of us are crack shots. In this day you have to be ready to defend yourself. A neighbor about 4 miles from here had a break-in one early morning, a month ago and it took the police 45 minutes to get to his home from the station no more than 6 miles away!! Not comforting!! YOU have to be prepared to take care of yourself.

dogs yes,big neighbor yes.911 yes.gun no way,but i am a canadian.won’t have a gun in the house.

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THIS is the sum total of the best advice offered here!!!
We live in a very secluded, rural area of Oklahoma. We have 5 dogs…two “useless” as protectors, but 2.5 VERY serious guard dogs…a 100 pound, bad a$$ male Boxer…a big love-bug, but with a great sense of protection and a hair trigger, a 120 pound, Boerboel/Ridgeback female named Mako (as in shark) and a very wired Kelpie who would love to bite someone. One of the “non-protectors” can hear a flea fart at 200 yards and alerts everyone else. We have assorted guns at the ready (no children at home) and both of us are crack shots. In this day you have to be ready to defend yourself. A neighbor about 4 miles from here had a break-in one early morning, a month ago and it took the police 45 minutes to get to his home from the station no more than 6 miles away!! Not comforting!! YOU have to be prepared to take care of yourself.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

My favorite line: “When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.”

And that is not to criticize. It is a fact that there is not a cop sitting on your doorstep.

A sheriff’s deputy somewhere way out west, when this same topic came up, posted the joke that he got a call once from a woman who was having a very difficult birth and needed help. He did the best he could, considering that he had an impossible territory to cover.

When he finally got there, the kid answered the door.

But the “bad guys” will!

Definitely agree with the Concealed Carry Permit. You live in a great state that supports self protection. Keeping it on/with you prevents others from having access, and gives you capabilities if you encounter someone waiting for you when you arrive home, or enter your barn. Yes it is controversial for some, but personal security is not a spectator sport. Living in the country by itself causes delays in response by law enforcement, and even neighbors. The training is not difficult, and Certification in your state is very doable. You might even decide to expand your sport riding to competitive shooting from horseback like our niece has. Just because you get a CCW license, doesn’t mean you’re going to shoot someone. But your survival is much greater when you have capability to defend yourself. In the mean time - get more outside lights so the areas around your house and barn are automatically lit at night, and motion detector lights in areas where you have to go that are not lit full time. You want to see them, and make sure they know it.

Can you get a couple of geese for your property? They will often go after people and scare them off.

I would still find out who he was and make a call to him and I’d let the police know I was calling his company. His story of a broken cell phone sounds not right to me. Did the police get his identification info or just take his word he was whomever he said he was? Get a gun and a large protective dog also and take the neighbor guys a pot of roast or a cake once a month and keep their # handy!

i don’t understand the whole “get a gun” mentality.

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i don’t understand the whole “get a gun” mentality.[/QUOTE]

How many times have you read about an armed robber robbing a police station?

Ordinary run of the mill street crooks always look for he weak. Old and hobbling, walking with your head down texting, walking alone too close to buildings on a dark night…

Windows and drapes open at night, TV going wide open and the inhabitants all watching, unable to hear noises at the back door…

One day when you come home to find a case of the big uglies in your house waiting for you, then you might understand.

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i don’t understand the whole “get a gun” mentality.[/QUOTE]

No problem. Dial 911 and wait. It’s your right.

I would worry about a gun with your mother around. However, always have a charged cell phone, call 911 if you even suspect someone in coming on your property. I worry about your mother opening the door to a stranger. Many people do, and even though they are told not to, they still do it. I agree with the monitored alarm, with only you having the code word to call it off. If your mom let someone in, and then the alarm company calls, she might still think the person is harmless. I also agree with getting the police report, or call information on the intruder. If the person was a process server, then I bet the address was right there on the paperwork.

Motion activated solar powered lights on all the outbuildings

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i don’t understand the whole “get a gun” mentality.[/QUOTE]

I totally do, but I do not think someone who does not feel comfortable handling a gun should get one. And most certainly do not get a toy gun and pretend it is real.

OP, I think you handled this situation 100% appropriately. I am glad the police were able to get there and take care of you.

I want to agree with the advice to make sure you tell both the neighbor and the police that you have the other coming. The police NEED to know that an armed neighbor is going to be on the property. The neighbor needs to know that the police will be there too so he stays safe.

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No problem. Dial 911 and wait. It’s your right.[/QUOTE]
ok, that cracked me up. You have a dry wit :slight_smile:

Is it bad I don’t know the difference between a pistol and a gun?
All I know for sure is a revolver vs shotgun.
I’m off to google it.