When a stranger enters your property at night... WWYD?

Last night as I parked the trailer to unload my horse in the dark after a lesson up at my trainer’s, someone drove past our place into the desert, drove around there some, turned around and parked outside our (latched, not locked) property gate. We noted it was not normal for them to drive by, but as we’re on an unmarked access road and there is an actual named road about 700’ past it, there’s always the possibility the person turned too soon.

Anyway, got my horse unloaded and in his stall before the car parked there. We went inside, locked the doors, and soon saw him on our property walking around with a flashlight in the dark, wandering around the house and near the arena which is at the front of the property (barn is at the back and had lights on - he stayed out of the lights.)

We’re two females, no weapons in the house. I think had I seen this idiot going toward my horses I might have stupidly gone out with whip in hand or something… Anyway, I called 9-1-1 and talked the Sheriff deputies to us since we’re not the easiest to find. Guy was pounding on the door a few times and continuing to walk around our property as if looking for a way in, and the 9-1-1 operator advised me not to even talk to him given trespasser in the dark in a rural area is rather scary.

I won’t have a gun because my mother is not entirely mentally where she should be, and her judgment can be very poor - she would end up doing something very wrong with it, thinking she was right at the time. We have dogs who are not that protective but who I wouldn’t want some idiot shooting anyway if they were - and we can’t let them have full run of the property because coyotes and other dogs keep digging under the exterior fence. We fill holes as soon as we find them, but animals who get out of fences disappear quickly around here, so they stay in the house/backyard and double fenced.

The neighbors DO have a gun, as well as some large males living there, and we didn’t have their number on hand at the time - but they came over to ensure us we can call them any time - they spotted the guy walking around and were looking for our number to see if we were ok when the cops arrived. Next time I would likely call the police on one phone and neighbors on another to ask if they know anything.

What would you do? This is pretending you’re a short, not very strong, unarmed female in a dark, rural area. I’m not looking to be berated, but for a way to plan in case anything similar happens in the future.

Resolution of the story from last night, because of course I should share that:
The cops got him on the street when he was leaving, and he was a process server who had the wrong address. He didn’t leave any contact info and I didn’t get any paperwork from the cops, so don’t know who he is or I would have called and bitched out his company today. He told the cops his phone was broken so he couldn’t use it to figure out the right house to go to, and personally I think that’s no excuse for tresspassing and scaring the crap out of a couple of women. I don’t know if they issued a citation or not. He had NOT attempted to deliver whatever he had during daylight or he would have known where he was going. He also would have known the house he was trying to deliver to was deserted and empty.

That is an extremely scary story. I would have done exactly what you did. Find a safe place inside and call the police. He is lucky that he wasn’t shot.

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How scary!

My first response was “Call the COPS!”, which it turns out you did. Good.

I think having the big manly neighbor’s number on hand is not such a bad idea either. Sounds like they’re good guys who won’t mind coming over if something is up.

As for other things:

  • Keep pepper spray in multiple handy locations near the doors/your bed.
  • A baseball bat wouldn’t hurt to have around, if it really comes down to that. I would never grab it without being 100% certain I was going to use it, but like you said…if someone is messing around with the horses, it will help to have something better than a lunge whip.
  • A dog who at least SOUNDS big and aggressive is not a bad idea either. Teach your dog a “speak” command, perhaps.
  • Nothing says you can’t have a fake gun. Seriously. They make some pretty realistic plastic handguns. Staying safe is always the best choice until the cops arrive, of course.

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What would you do? .[/QUOTE]

question is how fast can he run? we have a 120# GSD whose name is Lots of Teeth (well that’s her nickname, real name Sage)

“RELEASE THE HOUNDS”. OK, not really But I have German Shepherds, one being a retired police dog. The sound alone when someone approaches all hell breaks loose.

PLus they know “Who’s that” said in a whisper = go nuts and they do.

I’d call 911. Then I’d call a close neighbor, if possible.

I was a single woman who lived alone on a 30 acre farm (hence the big dogs).
I have 2 cells, a work phone and my personal phone. One is always charged and on me. Prior to my work cell I had a cheaper phone, so one was always charged.

Pepper spray is good. Get the colored kind that paints the intruder so if they run away, the cops can still identify them (note- never accidentally spray this in your foyer… it covers the walls, floors and dogs and you won’t be able to breathe)
It is a scary world.

I’m not sure I even trust my mom with pepper spray, but that’s one to think about and definitely consider.

I was VERY scared and my heart was racing for sure. It is comforting to have the neighbor’s number now, too. I want to come up with a defined “this is how to react” so that my mom has that ingrained in her head, too, because if I’m out and someone wanders up and isn’t as innocent I want her to have a safe response. In normal times she doesn’t need constant supervision, but it’s scary to think how she would react without me to keep her calm.

Ironically, it was the smallest of our dogs (about 30 pounds vs. 35+) who was loudest and most insistent in his barking and growling. My 15.5 year old who can barely walk anymore was right behind him in full on rumble. The biggest, chow mix, was hiding behind us.

Call the cops and if you have a close neighbor with a gun call them too. You did right by locking yourselves in the house and calling 911. I do have a gun and I would have been tempted to fire off a round in hope of scaring him off after that all bets are off. I’m not sure I would believe his story, I hope the cops checked it.

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Call the cops and if you have a close neighbor with a gun call them too. You did right by locking yourselves in the house and calling 911. I do have a gun and I would have been tempted to fire off a round in hope of scaring him off after that all bets are off. I’m not sure I would believe his story, I hope the cops checked it.[/QUOTE]

They were with him at least 15 minutes, so I assume they checked ID, and given the empty foreclosure it wouldn’t be surprising if he were trying to serve there. However, I’m with you on still not entirely believing his story and not feeling totally safe.

ETA: The officers who came out were nice and seemed to appreciate having the opportunity to “serve and protect” and help us instead of the various duties of law enforcement which just make people mad.

No doubt you did the right thing. Especially NOT answering his knocking on the door.

I’m on a busy road, but still rural and I know I’d have called the cops first and my neighbor, a retired county sheriff immediately afterward. I know my neighbor has a gun and is a big and imposing guy! Another neighbor across the street I know has guns and he’d probably come over as well.

I do know my little 36 lb old (13 yrs) dog would have gone barking to the door but with a tail wagging, I don’t think she’d scare a flea away. :sigh:

Well something similar happened to me this spring… Somebody came up our driveway at 10.00 pm and rang the doorbell. There was no light outside… I was not by myself, my grown up son was with me so I did go to the door and switched on the light… The Guy outside did not look to dangerous, so I opened the door. He was quite friendly and asked me where the previous owner of our place was. I told him that it wasn’t me and that I had no idea were he was. He was ok with my answer, asked for my name and left. I think he was a process server too. I guess they always come at night. I wasn’t even scared. I only thought afterwards that the whole thing was weird…

I can’t imagine anyone who does that professionally would do that AT NIGHT… at the wrong address… with a broken phone. That sounds like such a heaping pile of BS… even if his story was true they should have hauled him in for being a dumb ox.

I hope you and your neighbors have each other on speed dial now.

Would a gun in a gun safe work for your current situation with your mom? I know that a gun safe is not the fastest access- but at least it’s something.

Get thee a pump shotgun. It’s loud and EVERYBODY knows what that pump action sound means. They’ll either identify themselves quickly or leave quickly. And as an added bonus- word gets around that you’re a crazy mofo that pulls guns on strangers in your driveway at night.

One of neighbors mentioned that he thought there might be a peeper in the neighborhood(long story), and he’s a truck driver so not always home. He told his wife “Just shoot through the walls. They make caulk.” :smiley:

I’ve seen lots of reccomendations to keep wasp spray handy–by the door, by the bed, in the living room, in the barn. It hurts just as bad as pepper spray, AND sprays up to 20 FEET so you can stay further away from the bad guy. That might be more comfortable for you to keep around with your uncertainty with your mom.

Not your situation at all, but me personally, I’m not afraid of guns and I have Rottweilers. LOL–we call them teddy bear dogs, but they are generally rather protective by nature.

But there’s nothing wrong with finding what makes you comfortable. Not everyone SHOULD have a gun, and there’s lots of people and families out there that shouldn’t have a pekinese dog, much less a big dog like a shephard or a Rottie.

Sheila

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question is how fast can he run? we have a 120# GSD whose name is Lots of Teeth (well that’s her nickname, real name Sage)[/QUOTE]

Doesn’t pertain to the OP, but just had to laugh at this.

We have a Rottweiler named Rex. His nickname is T-Rex Demon-Dog. He’s not really a Demon-Dog, but he is REALLY REALLY protective of me, and we’ve had to socialize the you know what out of him and do LOTS of obedience training with him. So hello to Lots of Teeth, from the T-Rex!

Sheila

If you are calling the police and your neighbor make sure they both know the other will be on the scene.

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That is creepy, scary and a lucky wake up call.

Get someone to help you select a pistol that is comfortable for you, take shooting lessons, get a gun safe and keep the pistol there where your Mom can’t reach it. Those of us who choose to live rural owe it to ourselves and our family to be able to protect ourselves.

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If you are calling the police and your neighbor make sure they both know the other will be on the scene.[/QUOTE]

Good point!!

Ask for a copy of the police report for your records. There should be some type of ID on that report. Perhaps your insurance rep can search the license plate or the police can provide something from their work.

Let the Sheriff know that you are unnerved and ask if they would make a good presence – sit in your driveway, park nearby-- for awhile. It will make you feel better and send the right signal should the guy reappear.

Have the burly neighbors over more often too!

I would look into a concealed carry permit and have the gun on your person. I also have bee spray and a piece of PVC pipe by all of our entry doors. The pipe won’t seriously hurt anyone but it might surprise them as it does smart. We have a very large German Shepherd cross, who is an absolute sweetheart until you mess with me, then he becomes extremely protective and will insert himself between me and the other person. We got this dog purposely for size and disposition.

I always carry my cell phone on me and am very consciencous of the charge on it.

I would not be satisfied with the information the intruder gave to the police. It does not add up and sounds extremely fishy. Be on your guard and double check windows and doors. If you get that hinky feeling, listen to your gut. I have called the police more than once when something has been suspicious and they have always responded and have always told us to call at anytime, that is what they are there for.