I would add to that the fact that the horses can smell blood/death and the fear of other horses in front of them. It’s like having to line up for a firing squad. I would not wish that kind of terrifying end on even the nastiest horse:(
How about a cow?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Is this the place and thread to discuss humane treatment of cows? No, for the millionth time, it’s a HORSE bulletin board. And we’re talking about a bill dealing with the slaughter of HORSES. Sorry county, but I will not digress.
Here to cover Country’s deep concern over the slaughtering of other animals (on a horse bulletin board) and not to stay on topic (of a horse bulletin board)
Cow slaughter facts:
http://www.animalconnectiontx.org/food/cow.htm
General Info page on slaughter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse
Cow equivelant of our horse slaughter battle over in India:
http://www.petaindia.com/alertcowban.html
European Methods:
Pig slaughtering
http://www.hyfoma.com/en/content/food-branches-processing-manufacturing/meat-fish-shrimps/pig-slaughtering/process_description.html
Poultry
http://www.hyfoma.com/en/content/food-branches-processing-manufacturing/meat-fish-shrimps/poultry-slaughtering/process_description.html
Also if you go to the general info link (encyclopedia) you WILL notice on the lower part of the right hand of the screen a cow restrained by the head awaiting bolt method.
And for the same number of times if its against rules here to discuss cows, cats, dogs etc then your telling the wrong person. You need to report me and Onthebit and all the othersw to the moderator. Your not the one to decide.
And restraing them wasn’t what I asked. I asked if it bothers you that they also smell the blood.
Absolutely!!!
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That’s assuming that every horse will have a happy long life, with adequate veterinary and farrier care, and a caring, responsible home.
It’s simply irresponsible to end horse slaughter without a plan to accomodate 90K plus horses, each year - for the rest of their natural lives. That’s a lot of horses needing good homes - lots of horses that may have special needs, require an advanced rider/trainer, require expensive corrective shoeing, may not be suitable for particular disciplines, yatta yatta yatta.
I loathe people who take their dogs and cats to animal shelters. Loathe them. But I don’t want to outlaw animal shelters with the intent to “make” people more responsible for their pets or assume that all unwanted pets will be absorbed by rescues (already overburdened), the state, etc.
Not one entity or spokesperson or group has developed a comprehensive plan to handle a result of the ban. I assume Gail is having her 15 minutes of fame on the Hill right now - but for those of us who are more circumspect in our approach - we’re going to have our hands full and our wallets emptied when the politicians get done with their feel good legislation.[/QUOTE]
JSwan!!!
Whats more inhumane I ask folks?? The few minutes of pain and possible fear, or the life time of the horses you see all over the country in horrific condition, living in places you would not consider for any animal, Starving, no vet care, never any farrier care?? Living like that endlessly, in blazing heat, or fridgid cold and no shelter! And no the animal control people wont do anything till most of the time its too late, or if they have a pathetic round bale and slimy water they are being provided for.
And thats better that the slaughter house, wheres its over quickly??
And I am inhumane??
:no:
Hey you can bring up every animal under the sun- zebras, giraffe, common house mouse 
The blood, the smell (except for the neighborhood), is not so much a concern for me as the repeated blows to one horse with the bolt gun… on unrestrained horses AND the unacceptable percentage that are not rendered unconcious.
Oh I agree IMO the kill floor is by far the biggest thing that needs to be changed just as it was in the cattle plants. There never going to be perfect because yoiur using humans to kill livestock and there not perfect. But the horse kill floor needs to be changed.
Abuse will happen despite having no slaughterhouses or more than one in every state. As a matter of fact I believe you will probably find a case of horse abuse within a hunderd miles of any of the three slaughter house facilities.
Yes it’s a subject that needs to be addressed by the equine community. But it is not dependant on whether or not it’s legal to slaughter horses.
I’d like to bring up the subject that a couple years ago we sent less than 50,000 horses to the 2 slaughter houses that were open. This year we’re sending over 100,000. If your theory holds water- than there should be 50,000 LESS abuse cases this year or maybe 50,000 places miraculously opened up in the rescue business gibe or take 10,000.
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JSwan!!!
Whats more inhumane I ask folks?? The few minutes of pain and possible fear, or the life time of the horses you see all over the country in horrific condition, living in places you would not consider for any animal, Starving, no vet care, never any farrier care?? Living like that endlessly, in blazing heat, or fridgid cold and no shelter! And no the animal control people wont do anything till most of the time its too late, or if they have a pathetic round bale and slimy water they are being provided for.
And thats better that the slaughter house, wheres its over quickly??
And I am inhumane??
:no:[/QUOTE]
But how do you know…
[QUOTE=SuperSTB;1866285]
Hey you can bring up every animal under the sun- zebras, giraffe, common house mouse
The blood, the smell (except for the neighborhood), is not so much a concern for me as the repeated blows to one horse with the bolt gun… on unrestrained horses AND the unacceptable percentage that are not rendered unconcious.[/QUOTE]
How many are not rendered unconscious?? What are the facts?? where are the precentages??
I’m hoping that once slaughter is banned there will be so many extra horses that the price of good horses goes down. or it could work against me if people start to compare their good horses to otherwise slaughter bound one. Oh well… I guess I should give up hope of ever owning a horse.
Not sure what they are for horses when I first worked at cattle plants it was 15 to 20% after newer designed equipment was used that dropped to less then 5%. Alot of it depends on how good and experianced your bolt operator is.
Never owning a horse? No one who wants a horse should never own one. Where do you live?
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Never owning a horse? No one who wants a horse should never own one. Where do you live?[/QUOTE]
LOL, in a perfect world, County. In a perfect world. In the real world, some of us can only dream. 
Dreams can come true
Only if I get rich. Which is my plan right now b/c I can’t live the rest of my life without horses. I’ll go nuts!
LOL I’m far from rich and I have a number of horses.
Well then you’ve got a PM, cause I want to know how you do it!
[QUOTE=Sannois;1866283]
JSwan!!!
Whats more inhumane I ask folks?? The few minutes of pain and possible fear, or the life time of the horses you see all over the country in horrific condition, living in places you would not consider for any animal, Starving, no vet care, never any farrier care?? Living like that endlessly, in blazing heat, or fridgid cold and no shelter! And no the animal control people wont do anything till most of the time its too late, or if they have a pathetic round bale and slimy water they are being provided for.
And thats better that the slaughter house, wheres its over quickly??
And I am inhumane??
:no:[/QUOTE]
Sannois- We have legal slaughter now, yet have people neglecting horses. The people sending horses to slaughter are not the ones starving them. An emaciated horse brings no money at the slaughter houses. When Cavel burned down, and was out of business for two yrs, horse abuse and neglect cases dropped. Same thing happened in CA. By your reasoning, it should have increased.
I volunteer for an animal cruelty org here. We just got animal control to issue a seizure warrant for 3 emaciated horses that belong to a farrier and his wife. They had a new truck, nice property, but just couldn’t be bothered to feed the horses. There is an auction frequented by killer buyers one Thurs a month here. So tell me…how did having slaughter as an option help these horses.
When people view an animal as disposable, there will be more abuse and neglect. Allowing the inhumane transport/slaughter of horses (an animal that WE as a culture refuse to eat due to their status in this country), feeds into the belief that they are disposable, and encourages owners to think that abusing or neglecting them is just not that big of a deal.
