When slaughter is banned;

Sannois · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

ITs the same thing…

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The way sannois was presesenting her point of need, was not from the business side (for human consumption purposes), but rather the “need” of horse owners for slaughter to exist to dispose of their horses.

Just because there is a “want = need” in some countries to indulge in viewing sexual activities between human and animal (a certain nightclub in Amsterdam comes to mind) doesn’t mean we are going to jump at that monetary gain business option and produce videos of such activities in the US.

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IF theres a demand for a service or a product just because someone doesnt like it others do use that service or product. And theres a market for everything, some many of us would never pay money for,
I dont drink, but that is certainly a huge industry.

Ridge_Runner · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

The problem is that laws are passed alll the time to tell people what they can and can’t do… Do you believe in anti cruelty laws? If so, than you agree with a law that punishes people that abuse animals and that is telling people that it’s not OK to abuse their animals. It’s really the same thing as banning slaughter. I know you don’t believe the statistics and the facts presented by the antis…why I can’t imagine as it is very logical to me…but there is plenty of historical evidence that we dont’ NEED slaughter to prevent abuse. It doesnt’ prevent abuse now.

Personally I do think that it is hypocritical to be “for” slaughter yet not willing to see an animal you care about go through that process. If it’s not that bad…the suffering is short…and dead is dead…why should it matter? When your horse is not longer useful or comfortable, you should be wiling to “euthanize” it that way if you are willing to defend this industry. Maybe that is too black and white but that is how I see it.

jetsmom · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

There’s a demand for child porn, dog fighting, cock fighting, horse tripping and bull fighting, but the law prohibits it in most states, purely for emotional reasons. These are property right infrigements according to the pro side. Yet they are illegal. Where’s the difference?

LarkspurCO · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Everytime I go to the low end sales I sit and laugh at the rescue people. They bid against each other to get the cripples, injured, etc.

The rescue people know each other. They aren’t that stupid. I don’t believe you.

Besides, what is wrong with helping injured/crippled/starving/abused horses? Are you for that today, or against?

To me would make a whole lot more sense to buy the horses the meat buyers are after that are young and healthy. Take them home, train them, then resell and use the money to save more from slaughter.

Why would this make sense to you? You’re in favor of slaughter.

Sannois · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

I believe in choice…

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The problem is that laws are passed alll the time to tell people what they can and can’t do… Do you believe in anti cruelty laws? If so, than you agree with a law that punishes people that abuse animals and that is telling people that it’s not OK to abuse their animals. It’s really the same thing as banning slaughter. I know you don’t believe the statistics and the facts presented by the antis…why I can’t imagine as it is very logical to me…but there is plenty of historical evidence that we dont’ NEED slaughter to prevent abuse. It doesnt’ prevent abuse now.

Personally I do think that it is hypocritical to be “for” slaughter yet not willing to see an animal you care about go through that process. If it’s not that bad…the suffering is short…and dead is dead…why should it matter? When your horse is not longer useful or comfortable, you should be wiling to “euthanize” it that way if you are willing to defend this industry. Maybe that is too black and white but that is how I see it.[/QUOTE]
What is right for one person may not be right for another. This is true in so many aspects of life. I am amazed so many can only see this as a black and white issue. Did I say I LIKED slaughter?? No one like to see a living thing die, I do eat beef and chicken. Why is it all or nothing?

Sannois · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Seroiusly??

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The rescue people know each other. They aren’t that stupid. I don’t believe you.

Besides, what is wrong with helping injured/crippled/starving/abused horses? Are you for that today, or against?

Why would this make sense to you? You’re in favor of slaughter.[/QUOTE]
Just because someone is not opposed to slaughter?? You have blinders on obviously. It makes so much more sense to save the young healthy ones. Instead of the sick old or cripled ones. Pour a ton of money into them ?? Well its your money. I would think the gratifcation of saving the youngs from slaughter would be obvious. Train them sell them to good useful homes to live out there lives.

Parysa · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

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Why would this make sense to you? You’re in favor of slaughter.[/QUOTE]
Just b/c he’s in favor of slaughter doesn’t mean he thinks useful horses should be needlessly killed. Would you want to see a young, sound, retrainable horse euthanized just b/c the owner didn’t want it? At least he does things to help those horses he feels still have a chance to be useful.
(And no, I don’t think that just b/c a horse isn’t “useful” anymore that the owner shouldn’t take responsibility for it and no, I’m not necessarily for slaughter. The way it is done now, I’m definitely against and I’d rather see slaughter banned than continuing on the way it is now. If things were changed, who knows?)

county · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Larkspur I don’t beleive your abti slaughter matter of fact I think you have a big old horse steak on your grill right now.

Sannois · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

LMAO!!!

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Larkspur I don’t beleive your abti slaughter matter of fact I think you have a big old horse steak on your grill right now.[/QUOTE]
Gotta have a little levity thats for sure!!!
:lol:

greysandbays · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

There are a great many prospective homes for a horse that I would prefer my horse[s] go to slaughter instead of these “homes”. The horrors of the slaughter house pale in comparison to some of the brutality involved in many competition barns and the stupidity associated with many hobbyists.

Horses hauled in unsuitable conveyances pulled by unsuitable vehicles, horses terrified in strange places with incomprehensible sounds/smells/sights, horses incuring horrific injuries – these are hardly unique to slaughter-bound horses. I’m not sure the infliction of these in pursuit of human ego gratification is any better than than in satisfying a want for a good meal. In fact, intrinsically, it may be a good deal worse.

LarkspurCO · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Well, county, I think you’re a big ol’ vegan sociopath, trolling the boards to see who you can antagonize, fiddling with your crystals while polishing your Birkenstocks. I bet You have tofu burger dripping down your tie-died hemp t-shirt.

Alagirl · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Desperatly seeking the ROFLMAO icon

county · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Larkspur your a prime example of why the one side will never be able to work with the other side. Call them liars then back it up with ignorance.

JumpingPaints · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

And county, your constant antagonism is a sign of good faith??? Sheesh.

county · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Show me JP where I’ve went after anyone first.

JumpingPaints · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Actually, you go after pretty much anyone who posts an opinion on slaughter that you don’t agree with, whether it’s directed to you or not. You may not see it as antagonizing, but most of us do.

county · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

And you see no one attack me for any other reason then they don’t like my opinions? Be honest if you even can. And define ’ go after someone "

summerhorse · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

Too bad we couldn’t still hang horse thieves…

2 get prison for stealing racehorses

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1158414153136710.xml&coll=2

2 get prison for stealing racehorses
Animals ended up sold for slaughter

Saturday, September 16, 2006
James F. McCarty
Plain Dealer Reporter

A Cuyahoga County judge sentenced two modern-day horse rustlers to six
months in prison Friday.

A jury convicted Charles Burneson, 37, of Chippewa Lake, and John Queen,
37, of Grove City, in May of stealing two prized racers, Jakeman and For
All You Girls, from their stalls at Thistledown racetrack in North
Randall. The men were trainers at the track.

The horses were valued at more than $5,000 each.

Their owner, Mike Newell of Fort Erie, Ontario, had planned to donate
the horses to Canter, a nonprofit farm in Lake County where retired
racehorses are sold to new owners to live out their lives as show
horses, breeding stock or pets. The 4-year-old horses could have lived
to be 30.

But before Noell Sivertsen of Canter could pick them up, Burneson and
Queen took the horses and sold them for $250 each to an auctioneer, who
sold them to a slaughterhouse.

Newell and Sivertsen feared the tall bay gelding and the stocky bay mare
ended up on dinner plates in parts of Europe and Asia, where horse meat
is eaten like beefsteak in the United States.

The U.S. House voted last week to ban the slaughter of horses for meat.
The Senate has yet to act on a similar bill.

Assistant County Prosecutor Jeffrey Kocian asked Judge Eileen T.
Gallagher to give the defendants the maximum 18 months in prison for theft.

“What we have here are two barbarians who saw nothing but meat walking
around with four legs,” Kocian said.

The judge denied requests from defense attorneys James Dawson and Howard
Maniker that their clients receive probation or a new trial. She also
ordered the Ohio Racing Commission to be notified of the defendants’
conviction and sentencing. Burneson and Queen could lose their licenses
as trainers.

The defense attorneys said they intended to file appeals on behalf of
their clients.

The defendants received little sympathy from Sivertsen.

“I hope they never work in the racing business again,” Sivertsen said.

county · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

They got off way to lightly but its not uncommon for livestock theives to get light sentences or any theif for that matter. Was a case here last winter a guy stole 17 head of cattle and got a small fine and 30 days.

JumpingPaints · August 12, 2020, 9:29pm

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Too bad we couldn’t still hang horse thieves…