When to switch trainers

Hi everyone, I’m hoping you can help me out with something I’ve been mulling over in my head for a while. This is going to be a long post, and I apologize in advance. I’m trying to decide whether I want to switch trainers/barns, or take lessons with two different trainers (at different barns) or stick with my current trainer/barn. (I put trainer/barn because my barn has multiple dressage trainers that all work together and teach the same method so they can be interchangeable and all teach the same students. Right now I have lessons pretty frequently with maybe 3 or 4 of the 5 trainers on staff).

I’m really struggling with whether I want to stay or go. In the past, when I changed barns, it was because I went off to college and didn’t ride for four years, so by the time I was ready to start riding again my priorities had really shifted. Now, I feel like they’ve shifted again. I’m realizing how much there is out there in the horse world and I feel like my trainers can be very “well, this is the only right way to do it and everyone else is wrong” and “why would you want to do anything but this?”. That’s not to say that they aren’t nice people and I do feel like my riding has improved in the time that I’ve been with them and I do really like the other people who take lessons, but I am not going to know if that is the “only right way to do it” or if I “don’t want to do anything but that” unless I go out and actually experience what different places are like. (BTW, things I want to try: gaited horses, working equitation, low level eventing, and just other dressage trainers).

There are some things they do that I don’t necessarily agree with–like they seem to let their horses run around on their forehead and (despite claiming they only care about back position and not about neck) focus a lot on getting horses to drop their heads. They do also have a lot of judgments about horse breeds and which breeds they will buy for themselves or their clients. I also am in a lot of group lessons and I think I could benefit from more individual instruction, especially from a single instructor instead of four, but who wouldn’t? Finally, and maybe most importantly, recently they’ve been giving a lot of their horses low dosages of ace before lessons to “take the edge off”. (Side note: I’m pretty confident their vet knows they are doing this). Their logic is that it does the same thing as lunging before lessons but without the wear and tear, and they also really don’t want someone to fall off and have to go to the hospital given the current pandemic. I see their reasoning, but as someone who has thought long and hard about taking a prescription anti-anxiety med in my own life, I am pretty uncomfortable with long-term drug usage for horses that don’t need it.

The problem is, I do really like the trainers and other riders as people and I am not sure if I have a good enough reason to leave. It would be easier to explain if I said I want to go back to taking jumping lessons, like I did when growing up, but I don’t know if I really want that either (plus, I don’t know if I could afford it–jumping is expensive where I live). There are a couple trainers in my area that I’m interested in–one works with icelandic horses and one does very classical dressage–so I would probably see what their rates were and go with one of them, but I feel like it’s a lot harder to say “I no longer want to do dressage with you because I no longer want to do dressage with YOU” than “I no longer want to do dressage with you because I want to go do hunters/jumpers”. And I still haven’t resolved whether I feel like it’s a good enough reason to go, and handle the fallout.

I am planning on moving in early spring of next year, so I would automatically switch then, but I don’t want to feel like I didn’t take advantage of trying everything I could. Plus, any sport with horses is expensive and if I’m paying so much for it, I really want to make sure I am getting what I want out of it. I could also just say the finances aren’t working out anymore and leave (and then go take lessons elsewhere on the DL) but I don’t really like lying, and I’d have to hide it on social media which just seems like a lot of stress and work.

This is also all complicated by the fact that I work for the barn I’m training at one day a week, so it would be completely out of the blue for them if I did decide to leave.

I am sure I am not the only person who has faced something like this, so I would really appreciate hearing everyone’s thoughts.

You don’t mention having a horse boarded there. If you don’t, this shouldn’t be such an issue. You are paying for their services. You want to try other things and/or ride with other people. You are all adults. No involved explanations on your part are required. Why would you consider lying to them? Lying is never a good idea.

It’s easy. Give them 2 weeks notice if your one working day a week is terribly important to them and then move on.

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Rather than add to my post and chance it being put in “unapproved” limbo, I’ll add that your desire to move on is not a personal slight against your trainers. If they take your desire to go elsewhere as a sign that you “don’t like them” , they are very immature people indeed and you should find more well adjusted people to teach you.

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Just to follow up, I don’t have a horse, so I’m with you that that makes things easier.

Do you think perhaps that you are worrying unnecessarily? You are one student among many, yes? The loss of your business may not be a big deal to a barn that employs 5 trainers. If you are concerned that they’ll see your leaving as a personal affront, give them a nice thank you card when you give your notice.

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Jmo but any trainer that claims to be a dressage instructor but uses pharmaceuticals to take the edge off knows f-all about dressage or ethics.

I wouldnt want to work for such people or be associated with them.

Just put your two weeks notice in, work your two days and find another trainer.

You actually dont even have to give a detailed explanation.

Good luck.

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I am probably worrying too much. The barn has really cultivated a tight-knit community and I tend to be anxious about hurting anyone’s feelings. Plus everyone who rides there seems to have ridden there forever and they don’t get that much student turnover so I feel like it would be very weird for me to leave. Before I do anything I will reach out to the outside trainers I’m interested to see if they are taking students and go from there.

I guess the other problem is I have a horse that I have really connected with there, but I feel like I’m reaching the point where I am not growing with him as a rider. He’s very new to dressage and has some hang-ups of his own, and at a certain point I think it’s good to ride horses that really know their jobs so you understand what certain movements are supposed to feel like and how the aids are supposed to work.

This is probably me worrying too much again though.

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Good for you! You don’t have to burn bridges to leave. Tell them you really enjoyed your time with them but you want to try new things. No further explanation required.
If they ask for more info just repeat “I’m interested in trying new things and thank you for the wonderful time I’ve had riding here”. Then walk away. :slight_smile:

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The ace is a red flag for me. If the horses are truly on the forehand that is another red flag, but I would need to see them go myself to verify that.

If you are just a lesson student you can just walk with a low key goodbye. Obviously once you are gone you are out of that social circle but you will find a new one elsewhere.

If you have your own anxiety issues as it sounds like, it’s likely these are blowing the decision out of proportion. People come and go out of lesson programs all the time.

Just be sure to research your new program and verify what you hear. You can look up scores on line for coaches and students. You can go.virw lessons. You can take trial lessons.

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I do tell students I had to go see elsewhere.
I’m that confident, and I believe it is important to seek greater education from different sources.
(Maybe not all at the same time as it might become confusing, especially for more beginner riders.)

My good farrier, my good vet, they all told me, at one point, to seek others’ opinions.
And I did, and yet I always go back to them because I trust them and there really is no hard feeling if I ever want to ask someone different.

The bold part : Big red flag to me. Everyone else is not wrong. Maybe a lot/a few are - but I prefer trainers who find the good things to say about others.

There are some things they do that I don’t necessarily agree with–like they seem to let their horses run around on their forehead and (despite claiming they only care about back position and not about neck) focus a lot on getting horses to drop their heads.

You cannot learn from someone if you don’t believe in their training techniques.

If you think you know better, don’t spend money on that. [Just to be clear, I don’t know if your trainers really ask their students to run their horses on the forehand - this is only your vision of their riding/training which can be totally biaised/false]

They do also have a lot of judgments about horse breeds and which breeds they will buy for themselves or their clients.

If this is a somehow competutive barn, of course they might not want to buy little quarter pony crosses and aspire for warmblood types.

The bold part : I don’t like people who pass negative comments on others. This is a red flag to me - They should concentrate on the positive of what they have… and not on others.

Finally, and maybe most importantly, recently they’ve been giving a lot of their horses low dosages of ace before lessons to “take the edge off”. (Side note: I’m pretty confident their vet knows they are doing this). Their logic is that it does the same thing as lunging before lessons but without the wear and tear, and they also really don’t want someone to fall off and have to go to the hospital given the current pandemic. I see their reasoning, but as someone who has thought long and hard about taking a prescription anti-anxiety med in my own life, I am pretty uncomfortable with long-term drug usage for horses that don’t need it.

The Covid situation affected a lot of barns in different ways and I do understand their concerns.

Like you said, this is recent : lots of farm staff/owners/trainers where quarantined, sick, unable to come to the barn. The governement here just closed the barns for close to 2 months… A lot of horses didn’t get much turned-out and trained…
And ridingschools just reopened… so they have lost a lot of money and need to get back in business soon.

So I do understand the not wanting to lunge the poor horses to death since they haven’t been ridden for days… and to be extra carefull regarding people falling off.
So I do understand the ace, but just for now - not as a normal practice. Just until the horses are back to their normal training schedule - Like one would do in rehab.

Good luck.

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Thanks for the understanding and the advice, everyone. I feel like I could respond to each of the items you all have responded to in your comments, but for now…

After thinking on it some more, and going for a run to get the anxiety thoughts to pipe down, I think I will just talk with them from a “I’m at a point in my life when I want to try new things and thanks for everything so far–I feel like I’ve learned a lot” and go from there. Wanting to try new things and not just feel stuck doing one is certainly a part of my decision to leave and I think that is a message that will leave both parties feeling good and not burn any bridges.

Of course, now the hard part is finding a barn in my budget that is accepting new students and that I want to train at, but that’s doable–luckily there are a good number of barns in the area.

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Best of luck to you. You’ll be fine. Everyone moves on in their riding at some point in time.

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First off, the ace is a good-bye. Second, there is only “one way” tends to make one think their educations all seem to come from one limited source. Not good. Each horse, and each rider has their own history, so cookie cutters seldom work.

Keep your eyes open for other learning opportunities.

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It sounds like you have it figured out. Just be direct, honest, courteous, and thankful for your time with them, and I imagine all will go a lot smoother than you imagine it will. Good luck OP!

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Sounds like you’re in a big lesson type barn and riders come and go from those places all the time (other barns, vacations, tight budget that month, etc) and people rarely take offense so I wouldn’t expend too much energy worrying about them missing you or getting offended. If they get offended they are likely charlatan jerks who just want your cash and not good trainers who have your best interests in mind.

The ace before students ride is an absolute HARD STOP, GET OUT OF THERE to me. If a lesson horse is really that fresh they should be getting on and schooling it, not drugging it into submission. Frankly I don’t buy the ace to prevent accidents and overburden our health care system crap and this is from someone who has been through multiple of these types of lesson barns over 20 years and is also a physician. They know what they’re doing is lazy and wrong and honestly probably somewhat dangerous (risk of horse being out of it and tripping/falling with you) and are just trying to cover their butts with that story.

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Absolutely agree!

I would run away fast from a place that is routinely aceing horses for lessons. They either don’t know what they are doing, are mistreating horses, and/or are using lesson horses that are inappropriate for the job. I could maybe understand it once in a while for a really unusual situation (i.e. anxious rider first ride back after a very scary fall, or high energy horse that can’t stick to a gentle rehab schedule any other way). Even then, it would be very very rare at barns that I consider reputable.

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I just…really agree that habitual Ace use for school horses is a big red flag. Even with the Covid explanation…if they are so worried about students falling off during dressage lessons that they need to sedate the horses, then maybe those horses/students are not good fits? I mean, anything can happen but…oooof. No.

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I have never had a trainer ace a horse for me to get on to ride, and I have been on some bolters. I have never fallen off. I would be really worried if someone had to ace a horse before a ride for me!

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