So say you have a (not bred for race) TB stallion who loses his papers or never had them in the first place (you knew he was AI for example), is there another registry that will give him a number? Will he be acceptable to breed to WB mares and produced registered foals? I know this has happened before but now I cannot remember the names to see if they are registered elsewhere. I know the best thing to do is just geld but let’s just say you have a super duper performance horse, or the only TB foal of Barbaro, or something like that!
By loses I mean has them taken away, not lost in a trunk.
Maybe Performance Horse Registry
I think it’s possible to get an unregistered TB stallion approved with certain WB registries. I know that the Gem Twist clone is advertised as being approved by AES.
RPSI has approved Goldmaker who’s JC papers were pulled.
Can I ask, in all seriousness and without a whit of snark, why would you want to?
Given the market even for very nice and really actually registered horses, why should you do this?
I know two reasons - there are some very nice full blood tbs who were bred AI for show hunters and thus cannot be registered JC, and if a tb foal was not registered as a foal for some reason the cost of registration goes up astronomically. So if the colt was not originally earmarked as a stud prospect and intended to be gelded and shown as a hunter then looked too good as a two yr old to geld you can easily have a quality tb with a known pedigree but no papers.
Are you asking about getting him registered, or approved? They are different.
By “taken away”, do you mean he had JC papers but they were pulled? Is there still a breeding certificate?
WTF Registry:cool: OK,just joking, it is snarky, but:winkgrin:
Goldmaker has papers. He can’t race himself, but he can sire racehorses (LC) and can, and has been, approved for WB breeding.
Molly, I don’t believe that is correct. He HAD papers that were revoked due to him being conceived via AI and later using AI to conceive JC TBs. I do not believe that he can sire JC TBs at all.
He did go to the 70-day test a couple of years ago and he is licensed by the RPSI.
To the OP, if he was issued papers that were later revoked or returned to JC for some reason and IF he fulfills the performance requirements either via the 70-day test or sport, then a WB registry MAY inspect and MAY approve him. Many will not if you do not have his JC papers in hand. I know that I have had to take Sea Accounts’ original JC papers with me to his various inspections.
It is extremely difficult to get a TB stallion approved. Even if you have the papers and performance, he has to meet any given registries requirements for conformation and movement.
ETA: There is another way for a TB stallion to meet the performance requirements and that’s through racing. It varies a bit, but approximately 100k in earnings. Still have to have the conformation and movement.
Goldmaker has his papers. Anyone with doubts should check with Kathy or Jos.
Let me be clear…I am friends with Kathy and Jos. The mess surrounding Goldmaker is no reflection on him nor on them. He appears to be producing some nice foals.
The following is directly from the Jockey Club.
“The Certificate of Foal Registration for Goldmaker, 1999 by Glitter Please, was cancelled in 2001. Therefore, any foals by Goldmaker are not eligible for registration with The Jockey Club.”
I know that Jos and Kathy are visiting their grandbaby at the moment and the last thing they need is to have this mess stirred up again. I apologize for my part in it, but do feel it important that correct information be out “there”.
OP, I hope your questions have been answered. If you have any specific questions regarding the approval process for TB stallions, please feel free to contact me.
When I mentioned Goldmaker, it was not meant to be a dig at him or stir up controversy.
I think he’s a lovely type and his babies are just beautiful, but he did seem to fit the description of what the OP was asking about, a TB, who was registered, but is no longer recognized as registered by the Jockey Club. In spite of that, he was able to be approved by RPSI, so obviously there are some options out there in certain instances. That’s all I was trying to say.
