where to find number of foals produced

[Winding_Down]

I am doing some stats on event horses and want to find out if there is a source for the number of foals a particular stallion has produced. I need this so that in comparing the record of one stallion to another, I can compute a more accurate number representing success of offspring. IOW, if stallion 1 has produced 20 winners out of 200 offspring, (10%) then this can be seen as less than stallion 2 who has produced 20 winners out of 100 offspring (20%).

So often we talk about the success of a particular stallion without taking into consideration the total number of foals produced.

So is there a number somewhere, perhaps on pedigree query?

[beowulf]

For TBs, there definitely is… I think you have to pay for a membership on Equibase.

On PQ, you can click “view progeny” when viewing the dam or sire, and count… but that would be a tedious prospect especially for stallions like Storm Cat or AP Indy… I wonder if you can export that progeny list on PQ to Excel and just look @ the number of cells occupied…

[Texarkana]

We’re talking TBs, correct? You can get this info through Equineline: both for free (more difficult) or by paying for a report (easy, but obviously costs $).

To get the info for free for any TB stallion with JC registered foals:
-Go to http://www.equineline.com/
-On the right hand side of the screen where it says Free 5 cross pedigree, click on “hypothetical foal”
-Enter the sire
-Enter any registered TB dam (dead, alive… whatever, you can put Zenyatta)
-On the next page, make sure “Include interactive nicking” is checked (you can choose other info if you’re so inclined but it’s not necessary)
-On the second page of the pedigree, it will include the sire’s stats for all foals of racing age (2 and up). If a stallion is currently active, realize his most recent two crops won’t be represented in that number. But pensioned or deceased stallions will show a number that represents all of their lifetime get.

Another way to access this info for free is if a stallion is active and his connections have paid for a subscription to his equineline “Statistical Summary.” They usually make this link public on the horse’s website or Bloodhorse page. Not all stallion owners pay for this, but you can find it for any of the active big names. For example, you can find the link on Curlin’s Bloodhorse page under “tools and resources” in the middle of the page. Here’s what the report looks like:

http://www.equineline.com/extendedcontent/bh.cfm?StallionRef=7147650&rtype=stats&ASCID=1443262

For non-TBs, Sporthorse-Data shows this info at the top of the page when you search for a stallion… but its accuracy is limited since it is user-maintained.

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^^^ awesome.

But I want these numbers for non tbs as well. I am sure those numbers are far greater to find.

[findeight]

That could be tough with no central database like Jockey Club provides. It’s even hard with a JC stud if he covered non TB mares resulting in offspring that could be registered/recorded/listed in lord knows how many stud books, registries and whatever IF they even got registered, recorded, listed. Good Luck.

[acottongim]

Every source I know of for non TB are either stats that the SOs themselves maintain (for instance I have a spreadsheet, which lists all of Tate’s foals, their numbers if I have them, sex, etc and I try and keep up with all his foals and what they are doing) or the various registries will have how many foals were registered by that stallion… (again, for instance, you can look on the ATA site and pull up Tate’s name in the query page and see who he has sired that are registered with the ATA - but that is limited as it doesn’t list the non registered foals, or foals registered with another association.). Either way would be tedious for the mare owner to track.

[Winding_Down]

I think the way to do this is to look at only the top sires - ones that appear more often in the pedigrees of event horses, and then research them individually.

I am most interested in horses like Lux Z who has been used a lot over this decade, and then other “greats” in eventing, like Contender, Cavalier and Master Imp. There are not a huge number of them - probably less than 30 at the most.

The issue came up when I was looking at Rolex entries and noticed that there were sires that appear more than once. Those sires are also ones that I would guess have covered a large number of mares. This would suggest that they are more likely to be in the pedigree of any group of performance horses, all else being equal.

[Texarkana]

It was the pedigree query comment that made me think you wanted TBs, since pedigree query itself is all TBs.

Try the sport horse data link I posted above. Yeah, it’s wildly inaccurate… But at least it gives you some gauge of popularity of the sire.

[Laurierace]

How to you define a “winner” in anything but horse racing? 4-h ribbon? Olympic medal?

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How to you define a “winner” in anything but horse racing? 4-h ribbon? Olympic medal?[/QUOTE]

I think I will go with the former, LOL!

Not totally sure but likely placing at 3* or higher.

[andy.smaga]

Many people tried to get this kind of information, but none succeeded… it will need a strong commitment from the WBFSH to get some kind of “reliable” data.
For today you can forget it…

[vineyridge]

I think the Swedes have that information on their website for their horses. But it may only be the SWANA registered foals.

[andy.smaga]

Viney, the data is also available for the SF, but unless you get the data from at least the top 8 registries, they are of no value.