Where would you look to find this horse?

Update!!! Thanks everyone for all your thoughtful suggestions. I started looking outside my area but in locations where I had friends to try horses. I found a delightful little mare, schooled to third, not fancy, but super safe. All in with purchase price, PPE, shipping, and my commission we stayed slightly below budget. She’s a real sweetheart and I’m thrilled I was able to find something with some training. It took months of searching and some very convenient shared contacts with the seller. She got here just in time for Christmas!!

I’m searching for a horse for a client. Ideally it would be able to more or less WTC on the bit and be safe for an intermediate rider. Those are essentially my only criteria. Older is fine, maintenance is fine, don’t want it to be fancy–I’d prefer it not to be a big mover, open to any breed. I feel like the budget is healthy for these limited criteria. For the right price I’d take something that can safely WTC in the ring and put the training on it.

I’ve been combing through facebook, dream horse, etc (even Craigslist) without much luck. Have feelers out to all my contacts who might know of horses like these. So where would you find this creature??? Any specific facebook groups? Other websites? Bonus points for anything regional to the north east.

English or western disciplines?

Word of mouth - trainers with good programs, and your trusted vet and shoer! They always know what’s going on!

4 Likes

English, aimed for dressage but doesn’t need to come from a dressage program. Really just need to buy the temperament and for the horse to be physically capable of going on the bit. I would take something started western that wouldn’t be horribly offended by the idea of contact!

I have feelers out for sure but will definitely ask my farrier and vet next time I see them! Unfortunately most of my professional contacts are in dressage land and have mostly warmbloods, and the temperament that I need would cost several times my client’s budget.

Check with any eventer connections, too. If you’re brave, an ISO on your local horse FB groups. IMO anything sound that is w/t/c, reasonably easy, and under 15 or so is probably going to also jump and be marketed to the hunter/jumper side of things which commands a better price. And prices are up right now. I’ve got friends looking for school horses with high 4 to low 5 figure budgets who can’t find anything. I also recently saw a pretty WB, former jumper/hunter (sounded like a couldn’t jump due to soundness concerns, “needs maintenance, great for dressage”) with no dressage training, which would be “perfect for someone shopping on a budget! low mid to mid fives!” :eek:

Now if your rider is capable of handling non-dangerous quirks or is ok with an older one and is only aspiring to training/first, there are probably a ton not advertised. I know I have one sitting in my backyard, but he’s older, needs to be brought back to work, and likes to get quick and is tense, but can clean up at training level and is a BN packer though not for the faint of heart. Mine owes me nothing so can sit and munch on grass until I have more time, but I’m certain there will be others in similar situations.

Argh, I’m about to post an ISO, but I need to brace myself, LOL. The budget is high fours. Doesn’t mind older (probably not 25, but high teens is fine) or maintenance. Really only needs to do training/first. Maybe if it could do a shoulder in at some point that would be great. It seems like high 4s should be plenty for a grade horse that can do training level–it doesn’t need to be able to score well at rated shows. Quirky but safe would also be fine, she has a couple of specifications on the ground, like she’d like it to be able to cross tie safely. She doesn’t want to have to inject multiple joints multiple times a year, but her horses get so much turnout and good nutrition, something a bit arthritic would be fine.

It’s very frustrating! It’s not like I’m trying to find a purpose bred FEI prospect for 10k. This is really not the way I thought the pandemic would affect horse sales.

I did just join the Area 1 Eventing FB page and a hunter/jumper horses FB group which seem to have more appropriate horses for closer to the right price range.

1 Like

99% sure I know this exact ad and the horse has also been floating around for a good while with no interest. I think that’s more a reflection of an owner trying to recoup sunk cost than an accurate reflection of the market.

I think it is very possible to get what you are looking for on a 4 figures budget if you are honest in that you’re open to a super average mover. I think it can be harder but not impossible to find under $5,000. If you want a good minded OTTB who has a heart of gold but moves like a sewing machine that is a really easy find under $10k. They tend to be the types where a trainer love love loves them and wishes they were fancier because people keep overlooking the best horse in the barn.

1 Like

The more word-of-mouth you can get out there, with everyone, the better the odds are of finding this horse.

My Bodie was this horse. His owners did some Training/First Level dressage and low-level eventing with him and his pasture-mate, then something happened and they were thrown out to pasture for several years to just sit. Both were absolute gems and I adored them - amazing attitudes, in your pocket types, always trying hard. I found Bodie when his owners called my riding instructor to say they were for sale, did she want one of them?

They pop up - just have faith. And LOTS of people keeping an eye and ear out for you! Are there local Pony Clubs, eventing organizations, local dressage GMOs you could advertise through?

”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹Quite possible! The trainer usually deals in high end H/J horses so mid fives might seem like a good deal to them. Just shocking/funny to see it put as good for someone on a “budget” :slight_smile:

OP with that additional info I think you’ll find something that will work on one of those FB groups you just joined. Good luck!

[I]I would find a Hunt Club friend ~ put the word out for a field hunter that would like to semi-retire ~ a Steady Eddie ~
seasoned in groups - alone - ring & field ~ takes care of his rider ~ and has [B]“seen a thing or two”

:smiley:

Good Luck ~ thIs horse is out there waiting for you to find him ~[/B][/I]

2 Likes

Would the client be open to an OTTB? I see these types that would be well under budget advertised by New Vocations. Less risky than buying right off the track as they usually have a health history and have been assessed by their volunteers to market to the right buyer. An older ottb war horse, one that’s already 10yo or so, could be perfect- past the young sillies, and probably great ground manners and has been exposed to everything. With the low cost, client could probably afford to put horse in training with you for a couple of months and still have money left over- especially if jumping is not of interest to client. I see the flat only/LL dressage horses going for $1000 or under. Not all TBs are crazy hot heads- so just an alternate suggestion to try :slight_smile: Good luck!

7 Likes

In my experience living in places that tend to have more Western recreational (as opposed to “Western Pleasure”) riders than English recreational riders, MOST (obviously not all) horses that have been started under Western tack and ridden by the Western version of the casual amateur you are shopping for will adapt very readily to English tack, particularly if their training never got beyond a bosal or a snaffle. Not as easy to convert, say, a 4D barrel horse or critter that qualified for Western Pleasure at Congress, but something that’s been given a decent gas pedal, brakes, and steering. I used to ride with a H/J trainer that would hang around kinda low-end Western oriented shows (schooling shows, 4H, FFA, etc), look at ads at feed stores and the back of local horse “rag” publications (craigslist wasn’t much of a thing then, I’m sure he stalks that now) and pick up horses that had a good mind and a low asking price. Generally they had a low asking price because they weren’t stock-horse typey enough, fast enough for barrels, slow enough for WP, hadn’t been trained into a good slide, etc. to let their current rider move up in their Western field of interest. Which was, of course, just fine by him. He had a super-great “eye” for diamonds in the rough, though. He also just knocked on the door of a house with a skinny old rangy thing with his mane eaten off by llamas (really) and offered to buy him. That gelding was a high-point Hunter winner in his division (which, granted was low since he was an Old Man) by the end of the year.

If you and your buyer are feeling a little more adventurous, another avenue to check out is getting a Mustang. Right now the Extreme Mustang Makeover “circuit” is all virtual, but you can go to the webpage and check out the horses that will be available for the next virtual event upcoming in California, and get in touch with the trainers of any of them that interest you/your buyer (note that not all the trainers and horses are located in California). Many of the trainers that compete in the EMM are also Trainer Incentive Program trainers, and there are TIP trainers all over the country that may or may not be competing in any given EMM that might have, or be willing to pick up, prospects. TIP does not include saddle training, but a lot of TIP trainers are happy to saddle-start to whatever level the adopter wants for an additional fee. There are also some options for getting saddle-started horses through the prison programs and Mantle ranch (and probably some other “storefronts” I don’t know about). Obviously one can also adopt a Mustang as-is straight from the BLM and send it to an experienced trainer if one doesn’t want to deal with that part ones’ self, but that’s more of a pig-in-a-poke. With EMM and TIP options you can get more information on the horse’s personality and way of going, potentially even arrange for proper PPE, before committing. Most EMM/TIP trainers are Western-oriented, but see above. Some are better than others about focusing on the “basics” and not fussing over “putting on a slide,” and there are a few that are either English-focused or include work in English tack regularly (Sam Van Fleet, Elisa Wallace, Rebecca Bowman come to mind). Obviously all horses are individuals, but a lot of people automatically write off Mustangs, particularly young and/or green Mustangs as being too aggressive/flighty/spooky, whatever. My guy is probably a bit on the exceptional side (but I am biased). When I adopted him out of the EMM in 2017 (with roughly 100 days total training from holding pen to competition) I figured he’d need at least another couple month’s worth of full professional training before I really felt comfortable getting on him. A week after getting him home to let him settle in, my trainer worked with him for a bit and hopped off and said “Go ahead, get on, he’s wonderful!” Have we had our moments? Of course! But certainly no worse than pretty much any domestic horse I’ve worked with (the other day a barn mate got dumped when her horse spun out from under her for no human-perceptible reason), and heaps better than most.

3 Likes

Good suggestions–I will be reaching out to a few of the local pony clubs etc. I have contacts from when I used to fox hunt but they’re mostly down in Virginia…a few up here, that is a good idea–though I’ve hunted a few horses who were fantastic in the hunt field and pretty green on the flat, but they did have pretty good brains.

I’d also be open to looking at western horses, I’ve ridden a few used for horsemanship and some western pleasure that I’d take in a heartbeat if they were for sale. I’ve ridden others used for only western pleasure that had a total melt down about light contact and being asked to move out. I’d imagine that’s more trainer dependent though.

I really need it to be already going under saddle, I don’t think this client would go for something fresh off the track or straight from one of the makeovers.

I’ll pm you.

1 Like

I agree with looking at western horses in that price range. We bought my husband’s horse from a farm that brings them in from TX/OK for re-sale because the prices are higher enough in the NE to justify the shipping when they bring in a trailer load. These are working western and local/regional western show horses.

His guy (registered APHA) came with a great mind and solid riding basics. A friend’s daughter showed him training level several year ago, and he was surprising competitive because he was calm and accurate.

I’ll PM you with the details.

I found my mare (see my avatar photo) in a field about ten miles from me. She was not as big and flashy as her sire usually threw. She was literally that diamond in the rough. And I looked for two years before I found her. I just kept beating the bushes and looking.
Sheilah

1 Like

How big is your net? I took a look on Dreamhorse and it seems like there are a number in the NE that seem to fit your criteria (most;y TB and QH) at least by the description (yeah, I know…)

I’m looking at CT, MA, ME, NH, NJ, NY, RI, and VT. I have sent a few messages, but some of the descriptions are using phrases like needs confident rider etc, or sound fine and then list temperament at a 7. Many of the ones that look/sound great are already sold, at least the ones I’m seeing.

No one’s suggested Arabs yet, so I’ll chime in with that suggestion. For example, take a look at Addis Online - private treaty. Some nice geldings on there who are going under saddle and seem sane. Arabs are usually reasonably priced too, which is a plus. And they are purdy!!!

https://www.addisliveonlineauctions.com/

3 Likes