Where would you shop for an upper level event prospect?

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7886156]
I’ll probably get flamed for mentioning this, but you have to be really careful about a 4* gallop/canter when shopping for an UL prospect. The Hunter offspring that I saw at Rolex last year seemed to be lacking that light, ground covering gallop and didn’t, IIRC, make it round the course. He had a very heavy XC pace and seemed to me to be pounding the ground.

That gallop and stamina are why blood is still thought to be necessary at the 4* level.[/QUOTE]

Breeding for CCI*** and CCI**** is very different, and it is all in the gallop. The very fancy movers with extravagant jumps and a large % WB are GREAT horse trials horses and can be superstars even through the CCI*** level, but how many have we seen break down or not make it around the CCI**** level? Just look at how our team has done in recent history…

We breed specifically for the CCI**** level. The problem is that SO many lower level and amateur riders THINK this is what they want, but really these horses are rarely good matches for riders without significant experience. These horses need good consistent riding. You cannot give them time off for days and then just come back and hop on - buy a horse with a lot of draft or WB for that. They are bred to be very responsive to their rider so, if you are still at the place with your riding where your body and legs are unstable, they are going to be reactive and unhappy. They need to be able to think on their own and have some attitude for the ULs which is often scary for lower level riders.

We have several extremely nice 3-year-olds in the OPs price range right now, but we have found it very difficult to sell young horses to eventers. Once our horses go to Sharon White to be sold (at which point their price jumps), they have been sold in a month or two, but it is only recently we have been able to sell younger horses. This is quite different from the dressage and hunter/jumper markets. Recently, however, this is changing. We have had several up and coming, younger, very good upper level riders buy some of our babies. Can’t wait to see what they do!

Finally, I do think that people do not realize the cost to produce a top 3 or 4 year old horse. You need to have acquired top mares. Every time you breed, you have a 70% chance of actually getting a live foal - so you lose money 30% of the time you breed. Not only do you pay the fee for top semen, but the cost of shipping it, sometimes multiple times if the mare does not take. All our babies are hauled an hour away every month to be trimmed by a specialty farrier who works with our repro vet. Sarah, who runs the farm, works the babies everyday so they are used to grooming, clippers, etc. Not to mention feed and vet bills. None of this is cheap. When you are paying 25K for a 3 or 4-year-old, the breeder is not going to the Bahamas on the proceeds…

Finally, if the Europeans are selling us such amazing horses, why is our team not placing at the international competitions…and I don’t think you can lay it all on the riders…

Remember that these folks are looking for an UL prospect. Whether they should have one is a whole nother question, but US breds haven’t shone in the ULs lately.

Give us another few years for ours to get old enough to be out at that level…

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7886156]

That gallop and stamina are why blood is still thought to be necessary at the 4* level.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this viney. The quality of the gallop, that light, effortless, ground covering gallop is essential, IMO.
It is not surprisingly, the Thoroughbred’s best gait, and along with their athleticism, courage, lung capacity, etc, their great contribution to producing UL event horses.
Not advertising for A Fine Romance, but his best gait has always been his canter/gallop, balanced, light, ground covering and effortless - when he was in the show ring, you literally barely heard his footfall - and the characteristic that he most reliably passes on is the gallop.

I have three youngsters in my barn right now, all three have this same gallop.
One is full TB, one is 3/4 TB, 1/4 Hanoverian, one 1/2 TB, 1/2 Holsteiner (Indoctro/Ahorn) -all were purpose-bred to be eventers. It will be interesting to see how they develop.

Just to to set the record straight for High Times, a Hunter offspring- High Times ran at Rolex last year as a 9 year old and DEFINITELY DID FINISH (36th place out of 60 horses). Even though High Times had a small runout, this was quite a feat as Jennifer was not going for time - just a nice confidence building run on High Time’s first 4* course. High Times has a very lofty trot and canter which you can see in this video - http://www.rideonvideo.net/watch.php?vid=fa2f548d6
Wendy’s stallion, Hunter, is of the Heraldik XX bloodline which is renowned in Germany for eventing. Michael Jung, Ingrid Klimke, Marilyn Little, and Matt Brown are currently campaigning very successful event horses with this bloodline. Hunter refines the mares that he breeds with so the “type” of horse you get very much depends on the mare. Wendy’s sales crop comes in all “types” and sizes - http://www.W2holsteiners.com. They ALL jump and move well. Several young ones are currently in the pipeline with new owners and ALL are doing extremely well.
Happenstance, Matt Brown’s current mount, finished 1st in dressage out of 120 horses at Fair Hill this year (CCI2*) with a clean stadium round to boot. In Fair Hill’s cross country, Matt missed his line coming through a combination water jump and didn’t focus Happenstance fast enough on the offset second jump. Happenstance, unfortunately, had his first “fly by” at the event (running up the bank where he thought he was supposed to go). Nevertheless, Happenstance has a stellar competition record unparalleled by most Irish Sporthorses. He is US bred! Hap is dead on honest, has a ground covering gallop, great stamina, easily makes the time, is super adjustable with a temperament to die for - just ask Matt Brown :).
Happenstance - X-country - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMh1y4LC3-U&list=PLzoSNiVuQPSaaxt-yRXOhDb1eRdo9DGHC&index=7
Dressage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96wIz9_Pli0&list=PLzoSNiVuQPSaaxt-yRXOhDb1eRdo9DGHC