which is the best overhead trailer tie/arm?

I am looking to buy one of these devices, and have never seen any in person. Can you give me any pros/cons to them?

http://www.redwolfranch.com/highline-trailer-tie-grey-p-5.html

http://equineperformanceproducts.com/tiez.htm

I did see this comparison of horse trailer ties, but it has no recommendation. We have one horse who is burly and may try to lean on the thing a lot - I guess a safety loop of twine will work, but is he going to bend one of these things anyway?

Also, can they be safely attached to a Brenderup?

And, do horses get their legs stuck under the trailer at night ever?

I looked… found the same comparison study and very few recommendations… my stallion twists a lot on the end of a halter to a trailer for extended periods (stands for hours at the hitching post though… guess I should work on that!) But I looked into them with equally dispairaging luck…

hope to hear good reviews too!

I look at those arms as a accident waiting to happen. A thousand pound horse out 4 feet from the trail exerts 4000 pounds of force on the side of the trail if he even leans his weight into it. If he really digs in and pulls he could turn a trailer over.
\Have you ever been driving a trailer and had a horse go beserk??? It is scary and even stopped you feel the trailer and truck are going to flip over.
The mechanical advantage the horse has with a 4 foot arm is too much.
The safest tie is an overhead line between trees, nothing is more secure, even a good corral in a stampede can come down but not a pair of trees with a clothes line stretched between them. Properly done no horse can break free and yet they have far far more movement then the arm, can lay down or walk/graze.
I am an engineer and I wouldn’t put my recommendations on a arm
Any wife can have their husband hold the end of a broom tightly in his hands, but close together and near the end and then you try moving it pack and forth and see if he has the least chance of holding you out 4 feet from easily moving it back and forth… No way he can begin to hold you.
A 100 pound female can easily exert over 400 pounds of force , the arm is the same thing

I agree that the safest method of tying a horse overnight is between two trees, however we don’t always have the luxury of two trees or even one. I have a hi-tie setup that I use carefully. I don’t use the bungee cord tie on the end but rather a slip tie like I use to tie to the trailer. And my horse has been known to walk in circles until the rope is a whole lot shorter - I’'m old though and need to get up in the night anyway so I just check on that along with his other needs when I"m up.

I think it’s alot safer than tying to the trailer at any rate. Are you required to do that for CTR? I have heard of horses betting caught under the trailer or wheel wells with catastrophic outcomes. I know people with horses trained well enough that they can leave the rope rather long and the horse lies down with a hi-tie.

I don’t see why you couldn’t put the hi-tie on a Brenderup. It is a bracketed attachment with reinforced screws (here I lose it because I am not mechanical and I should really go outside and look) and does require drilling. I’ve had them moved from one trailer to another, and the holes are left which isn’t so pretty on a pricey trailer like a Brenderup. But I think for a trained horse a hi-tie is ok.

Yeah, no guarantee of trees being available. Also, I tie to a split piece of twine so any panicky horse will break that, with no need for 4000# of pressure!

The other options are portable corral or electric corral - too easy for a blanketed horse to push though. Or tying to the trailer - no thanks.

I’d really like to get recommendations for the best made/safest one of these products if anyone has used them? What about the one with the spring - that looks good.

I love my Tilt-Tie–expensive, but easy to set up, and my 17hh guy loves it. I’ve done CTR’s where you have to tie to the trailer when no trees are available (or you aren’t allowed to tie to them)…both my old horse and current baby learned quickly to lie down next to the trailer, so I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the wheel well to prevent a foot getting stuck between the tandem wheels. With the Tilt-Tie, I keep the line about 12" from the ground (before I clip it) so the horse has almost the equivalent of a 10x10 stall…my guy lies down, turns around to watch what’s going on, etc. If he starts to pull to reach that one piece of irresistible grass, it has an adjustable tension spring that gives a bit to prevent the tie or arm from breaking. I’m not too sure how it would work with a small Brenderup, but I’ve not been concerned with my 3H gooseneck (12000#GVW).

On a slightly different note, you should see the looks on people’s faces when I set up the tilt-tie at Dressage shows and Horse Trials–I’ve had several ask me where I found such and interesting horse “leash”! LOL!!

How about teaching the horse to tie by one hind leg??? I often grazed my horse like that. It is not difficult, safe once trained and I often left my horse for hours unattended. I put a single cuff around the left hind leg and a long rope. He doesn’t run into the end but eases?? into it and once he feels it tighten up he turns to his left and starts grazing off in the new direction.
Very difficult to tangle and honestly 10 minutes a day for a few days teaches him the trick.
I taught my old Strider to stake out with a halter and long rope but it took alot longer to teach and he learned how to shake a leg if the rope got tangled around but again it took too long.
I heard the french calvery used the one hind leg methog, taught it in 3 tried to Shadow and started doing it that way. In under a week he had it down.

No. I wouldn’t use any of these ties on a Brenderup. the trailer is just too light and I think the metal frame in the walls up high where you need to mount the brackets isn’t sufficiently wide and flat for mounting. I could be wrong about that but I can tell you those Brenderups are very, very light. Now, the typical horse trailer of any size should work fine. I’ve seen numerous horses on Hi-Ties that tie much better than they do when hard tied with a rope to the trailer. Horses actually pull far less when tied to something that stretches. I know people using the Hi-tie brand that really like them. One way to rig them is mount two on the side of a longer trailer. Run a cable between the two Hi-Ties then put the horse on a bungee on the cable. they can walk up and down the length of the cable and have 3 times as much room.

Bonnie

One of the horse magazines recently published an article showing the muscle groups of the horse’s neck and shoulders and showed how when the horse is tied up far higher than their head, they have very little mechanical leverage, versus if the tie is at chest height. The muscles are strongest UNDER the neck, and the horse’s ability to pull UP is far more significant than his ability to pull DOWN. Also his natural tendency is always to go up and back, not down and back. It said most tying accidents happen because ties are too low and the horse feels trapped when he tries to lift his head. Common knowledge is that you tie high to keep the legs from getting trapped, but there’s a lot more to it than that. The article was showing just how safe high-tying or picketing is and most horses tied this high just don’t feel the need to panic and pull back because they don’t feel trapped like they do when tied to a hitching post, or tied low on a tree.

I know there’s a local trainer here that works with our mounted patrol group and he once said that if you have to tie a horse up for some reason and the horse is “iffy” about tying, stand on a bucket and tie the rope as high as you possibly can on the tree. Do not just tie it at nose or eyeball height. He said in all his years of doing this, he has never seen even an untrained horse, fight and pull back when tied very high.

In looking back at the training of my weanling too, the farrier reached up as high as he could reach and tied her rope up at the very top of the beam, versus down by her head or ears. I guess I didn’t think much of it until the trainer had told me about the advantage of tying HIGH.

I’ll see if I can locate that article. Maybe it was in AERC? I can’t remember.

I have the Hi-Tie from Easy Care and I like it a lot.

I agree about the leverage thing- IMO, it would be really hard for a horse to get loose from it or pull the trailer over, and it doesnt seem to be in their mind to do so anyway. I think it is very safe.

My Brenderup weighs 2150# - about 500# less than a Featherlite of the same size. Do you think if tied to a breakable string “fuse” this concern still applies?

I wouldn’t want to tie a horse with a easily broken string if you’re looking for an over night option. Better to use a turnout halter with leather crown and hhave some thing a bit stronger but still able to break before the trailer moved I’d be more concerned that you wouldn’t find the frame of the trailer suitable for mounting the bracket. If you look at the bracket mounting instructions you will see that the frame piece need to be of a certain width. I’d check with the manufacturers and ask their opinion.

Bonnie

Yes - will do!

Tied high is always safest. Same reason cross ties hung from ABOVE…not from opposing walls…are safer. The horse just hangs out there and doesn’t feel trapped like they can in ‘normal’ crossties.

When teaching any horse to tie- the higher the better. they can’t get the leverage to feel ‘stuck’. Safety first.

and anyone worried that their horse is going to be an idiot about the high tie or other overhead tie dealie…needs to get their horse broke broke broke to giving to pressure when tied if there’s going to be any safe, secure option to overnight tie them.

Signed Kat…who spent a week with 5 horses tied hard and fast to a stock trailer every night…just a week ago. And everyone’s still alive and kickin’ :wink:

would used any to flipping dangerous for my liking why dont the horses boxes and trialer make inserted rings to tie a bit of baling twine on 1st the loop the lead rope through the baling twine
most trialer and boxes in uk have rings-- and you can buy them and attached them to trialer or boxes or stables both inside or out
scroll down see inserted tie ring for horse boxes and trialers

http://www.whb.org.uk/

not inserted and can be put anywhere and on any thing inside and out
http://www.riders-equestrian.co.uk/product_detail.asp?ProductID=207&product=Tie+Ring&manID=12

rings should be put at a medium level not on the height of the box
so for exsampple in the middle of the trialer on the side–

I’ve used HiTies on several trailers and can say that they are well made and work well. But I have larger gooseneck trailers. Have no experience with them on small trailers like the brenderup

The place to ask

I think I remember seeing pictures of one on either the Minnesota or Wisconsin Brenderup dealer’s website. You might want to contact them and ask how well they work.

Thanks BrenderGal - I found the site which has loads of useful info and pics:

http://www.american-flex.com/brender%20up%20trailers.htm