Which Registries accept AWS or AWR?

[GraceLikeRain]

From reading over the years my understanding is that both performance registries are not held in high regard with AWS seen as the lesser of the two.

Are there registries that accept these performance registries thus enabling someone with a AWS/AWR mare to accept stallions that would not be open to a “TBx” or “mare of unknown breeding”?

I was speaking to someone who mentioned registering her mare of unknown breeding in AWR or AWS to give her mare a better safety net if something happened to the owner. I admire that she’s trying to create additional value for her horse but my understanding is that the only value that would add would be to someone interested in creating a second generation AWS/AWR horse. Can these performance registries leap frog a foal into other registries? If so, does a better regarded registry actually care that the mare is inspected stallion x AWS mare instead of inspected stallion x grade mare?

Ultimately, not my horse not my problem but from a knowledge standpoint it piqued my curiosity.

[Texarkana]

I have a nice AWS mare who I’ve tried to find breeding options for. My research says options are limited.

[Highflyer1]

I don’t know much about the registry end of it, but I do think there is a certain usefulness to being able to say that the horse is an American WB vs a grade horse. It in no way raises the horse’s actual value but there is a segment of the horse-buying population that will consider one but not the other. And it can possibly provide proof of age (assuming that’s actually known.)

[SusanO]

I don’t know how much it costs to register with either of these but it will give you proof of age and ( if they use DNA) proof of parentage. These are worth something but won’t get you into the European registries as far as I know. And as mentioned above - some people are impressed because the horse is a “warmblood”.

[GraceLikeRain]

@Texarkana

My research says options are limited.

Curious if limited means your search has yielded > 0 or if your search has been unsuccessful to date

[Texarkana]

@GraceLikeRain

@Texarkana

My research says options are limited.

Curious if limited means your search has yielded > 0 or if your search has been unsuccessful to date

For breeding purposes, there are a few ways I could register a foal with “real” papers out of my AWS mare. Going through ATA for a registered half-trakehner seems like both the easiest and the best. But for my mare herself, it didn’t seem like there were any registries who would recognize her or approve her.

It’s entirely possible I missed something, though.

[Trak_Eventer]

There are two ways a non-100% Trak foal can be branded. Trak x ShA/Arab/Tb can get 1/2 brand or Trak x non-blood type can get AT brand. I’ll try to find more exact info and post below. Here is an example out of a Trakehner dam by an unapproved TB stallion that was inspected at the ATA inspection I hosted this fall. There was also a foal at another ATA inspection this fall by an approved Trakehner stallion o/o a QH mare that would have been eligible for the AT brand.

[SusanO]

Is the half brand equivalent to a Certificate of Pedigree/ Certificate of Birth in other registries? Are the half branded mares eligible to be entered into the studbooks or is it a stopping place like a COP?

[Trak_Eventer]

If you scroll down to page 16, all the registration stuff is explained. http://americantrakehner.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/167-ATA_Corporate_Regulations_Oct2019.pdf

A foal from your AWB mare bred to a pure Trakehner stallion could be in the Appendix Book in Division D.

Division D: Horses ineligible for registration in any other division of the Official Stud Book, Preliminary Stud Book, Registry Book, or Appendix Book that are of at least fifty percent Trakehner blood.

Some additional branding information

I’m not the world’s best with all the different books, but the ATA office is very helpful and nice. They could give you the 100% accurate answer.

[Scribbler]

Though here’s a question. What is the purpose of breeding this mare?

There was a thread recently asking Where are the Trakheners? that made it sound like they weren’t the most popular type of WB in NA at the moment.

For the benefit of resale, is it better to get a Registered Half Something foal that is not in demand, or an American Warmblood from a currently popular sire from a popular registry? I honestly don’t know.

In response to the initial question, it’s always going to make a horse more saleable to have some kind of papers, because if she’s “grade” it suggests that you really dont know what she is, or that she doesn’t even make the bare minimum to be an American Warmblood or you are hiding the fact she is just a very nice OTST or ranchbred QH

[SusanO]

It sounds like the equivalent of a COP. Except you get a brand. I almost remember there was something like this years ago in the Hanoverian registry here in the US where you got a half brand for a horse with one parent in the stud books. But my memory is foggy on that.

[Dance_To_Oblivion]

I wouldn’t say Trakehners aren’t popular or not in demand (2/3 of our Olympic Eventing team was comprised of Trakehners and I believe that specific thread was asking RE: H/J ). All three of the foals I had this year sold easily, and for good prices. I have people specifically reaching out to me for Trakehners of all ages.

The ATA Part bred book is for horses with a minimum 50% Trakehner blood. It provides date of birth and DNA verification, and for current year foals with completed registrations by Dec 31st, a complimentary lifetime USEF number. It also enables the horse to be eligible for ATA Horse of the Year awards. These horses are not however eligible for inspection into the Studbook.

The ATA also offers a Certificate of Pedigree for horse with less than 50% identifiable Trakehner blood.

With regard to the OP’s actual question, it isn’t so much the name of the registry (AWS or AWR) that creates the issue for the mare being accepted by other registries. The issue is more what her bloodlines are, are they approved for breeding with other registries, or even eligible for approval with other registries, if that makes sense. If the horse was produced from performance tested bloodlines, she may be eligible for inspection by other registries, but if she has unknown breeding, stock horse blood, etc thats the “problem” so to speak.

If the only option a mare has are those registries, than it is certainly better to have some paperwork than none at all, because it does create the paper trail for future generations and identification for her.

I hope that makes sense.

[Scribbler]

Thanks for the clarification! I’m glad to hear Trakheners have a following, they seem like nice horses.

It does raise the question however of what the owner wants this TB x grade mare’s foal to do, and what the mare does. If the mare was hunter type, you might not want to cross with a Trakhener.

[Dance_To_Oblivion]

There are actually some really fantastic Trakehner lines being bred specifically for hunters, and Trakehners doing well in the hunters, people just don’t always know that they are Trakehners lol. So if the mare in question were a hunter type, and the owner wanted a hunter type foal, there are certainly good options out there!

[Trak_Eventer]

Thank you for making that way more digestible than what I tried to word vomit lol