Which Trainer Would You Choose?

From the sound of what you are mentioning, I do not feel you nor your horse are ready for a true half-halt. This is something that comes from behind, from the legs and seat not backward from the hand. Until you have true forward connection and a living seat, concerns about the true half halt should be for later.

Personally I would take trainer three. I have seen people talk about re-educating the seat over a years time. You cannot go wrong learning the proper seat and balance for Dressage. It will pay off in the long run. Horse do not run on autopilot. Your leg is off until it needs to be on . This is a reflexive reaction on your part and you have to anticipate your horses movement.

You may have a year ahead of you with working with the spirals to establish the outside connection and carry you need. One day , you may find, it all clicks in to place and you can accelerate ahead. Your horse may benefit with a ridden training session by your trainer so they can see and feel where the holes are. Can trainer three provide that?. Do they have a working student they use?

The halt is a forward movement; its intention is always forward. The rein back , too, is a movement that must always have forward intention

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#2 might be the youngest and less experienced but right here is the sound of rightnest!

You should actually support with your leg (and core) for as long as there is no answer.
But considering you’re new to this, better start over within a few strides.

Trainer #2 is trying to show you what a true half halt is all about.

And you really shouldn’t be nagging your horse every steps of the way. :slight_smile:
It’s easy, but it’s exhausting - if you do that, you won’t go up the levels because there is so much more you’ll need to do with your legs.

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Your position is critical to the proper delivery of aids.

What you are feeling, or should be feeling is also very important.

Inside leg to outside rein happens when you use your body properly, and learn to feel.

the instructor who can teach you these things is the right one.

Forget the drawreins. They will teach you nothing

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Gait. Gaits. Trainer #3 whenever you can afford. Then use videos/DVDs to fill in.

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I’m for #1, perhaps with some pushback when required. She sounds most effective, and while #3 is clearly more awesome when you can get a lesson, my experience with that kind of “hard to schedule” is pretty bad for consistent progress. Grab a lesson when you can and treasure it. Doesn’t sound like #2 is doing much for you.

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Not the draw rein person. Trainer 2 for now. Trainer 3 once in a while. Sometimes all that spouting theory is good up to a point. But you have to get the feel for dressage slotted into your brain and you do that by riding a horse. Not the draw reins tho…ever. It will spoil your horse and ruin any chance you have of getting the “feel” and being able to reproduce it on any horse in the future. Draw reins create an awful feel - and people start to like it and think it is correct. never get it out of their heads.

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Another thought… does Trainer 3 do facetime/skype lessons while she is down south? My coach got 90% of her lessons virtually this summer. I was the human tripod (though anyone with a pulse can do it) and I would facetime her coach on her coach’s ipad for visuals, and she would call her coach on another phone, or do a conference call via zoom for audio. It’s a thought…

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does trainer 3 work with any other trainers in the area when she is home? It might be worth asking. You can work with THAT trainer and clinic with trainer 3 quarterly. That usually brings you to a place where everyone is pretty much using the same methodology.

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Just don’t choose this one. Sorry, saw this on the Off Course Forum and couldn’t resist. :wink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnxB…YInnxPChxjYjU8

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Thanks everyone - I’ll reach out to #3 and see what she is doing - I know she wasn’t doing lessons for a while with COVID - IDK if that’s changed or if shed be up for doing virtual. I know she’s had working students in a past life - I’ll definitely ask if there is anyone she recommends and perhaps a #4 will be the obvious and right choice.

I have a lesson with #2 this weekend already scheduled. I’ll try to make a decision based off of how that goes whether or not to schedule more. #2 went to regionals this year with a handful of students and told me about a women with a TB that used to do the jumpers with who competed at first level - I asked how long she’d been working with her and she said 3 years. IDK if thats a long time or a short time to go from nothing to first level - I suppose it depends on the horse and rider.

I know theory can only get you so far but I’m someone who learns best when I understand the why and therefore usually feel like I get more out of a lesson when we go into theory a bit. I really dislike when someone will say do ‘x’ but then later say no don’t do ‘x’… I understand sometimes instructors say to do the wrong thing to get the result needed at that time but its never worked well for me. I take what instructors say too seriously. Perhaps I just need to ask #2 more questions - or maybe I thought I liked her style of giving constant riding feedback but that really doesnt work for me because I dont know why shes giving the feedback she is or what her goals are.

It took me a year after leaving the hunters to start to understand what having my horse in front of my leg feels like and how using my abs and not tipping forward can improve him so much. Hunter trainer was never wrong and had told me I needed to do more with horse on the flat but I think with jumping it was all to much for me to really slow down and piece it together to a point that I could feel it. Moral of that story I know it takes time and Im willing to go slow and do it right.

I also think I could use some lunge lessons - I dont think any of these have lesson horses- maybe #1? My guy is pretty steady so maybe he could be used for a lunge lesson?

In my first post I said I think all three are decent and will try to get me to the same destination - just in a different way and maybe different timeline - and all this discussion seems to kind of reinforce that. I agree draw reins aren’t for me and this horse at this time but #1 just suggested it. So perhaps there is no easy answer.

Damn this is all been harder than I’d thought - I guess you cant just slap on a dressage saddle and call yourselves training level!

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If you like theory, you could always do some independent study say with a book like this

https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Na…/dp/1872119719

Actually, you can slap on a dressage saddle and call yourself Grand Prix; it just doesn’t make it so :wink:

Good Luck!

i think if you can get to a point where you and #2 can communicate it will be good. I like her approach…but she’s a trainer, but doesn’t sound like she’s a teacher. If she has aspirations to become an instructor/coach then she needs to learn as much as you do. Good that she’s lower cost because she’s on the learning curve too. Again, her take on moving your horse along a path to good fitness seems sound. If it were me, if i was you, i would ask to work at the walk for about four or five sessions just to get my horse onboard with the new cues and also to have time to talk to this #2 and ask for clarification during the movements she’s asking you for. It takes time for the information to travel…first from the instructor to you, then from you to the horse, then…a clarification from the instructor to you again, then from you to the horse again. A walk will give you guys all time to sort out your communications.

Thanks everyone - as an update I had another lesson with #2 and it went really well. I spent a few minutes communicating my goals as well as how I felt in our previous lessons. I think we figured it each other out more and they spent longer going through each exercise beforehand - why we were doing it - what I can expect and answering questions I have and then we’d move on to the exercise where they’d give me specific feedback on what they were seeing (more left leg, shoulders back/sit up, etc, etc.)

They again reiterated the need to strengthen my horse and myself and mentioned that drastically altering my position or our way of going will be too much too soon and that they hope to get us to progress slowly but in a meaningful way that will set us up for success and soundness (noted no deep seat in the canter yet, etc.). They mentioned how the focus on my position is so key because my horse has a propensity of going on the forehand that I need to focus on keeping my shoulders back, core engaged and elbows at my side to really be able to ride him from behind and build up his strength.

In the past I’ve felt like he was behind my leg and I needed to kick him forward and push him into a more forward gait (whether walk trot or canter) but she explained I dont just need my leg to get him in front but can also use my seat and core. She said to stop pushing him into faster gaits as hes not ready - instead that will only encourage him to fall forward - but need to work on improving and engaging the hind while going slower and build on that.

I saw a lot of immediate improvements in the lesson and I do think some of what they had said in previous lessons made more sense after asking questions/letting them explain. They are approaching it all from a different place than others but I also think that may challenge me more in that the exercises are not things I would think of doing and I agree with her that so much of our core issues stem from me not staying centered and tipping forward which just gives my horse what he wants and can fall forward.

They are also much more calm in how they goes about anything - softer/smaller corrections which I do think will create a better, mor responsive horse in the long run. They noted I’m riding an OTTB and they are very sensitive and they’ve made me more aware of the efforts my horse does make where as most other trainers have told me to be more forceful with him that I dont expect enough of him. This is true to an extent but I also think we are both anxious and rush so the idea of slowing down will hopefully help a lot of things. I’ve never been able to get this horse to relax and really stretch in the trot and I feel like we already seeing glimpses of that which is exciting.

Still working to set something up with #3 when possible and will still ask who they recommend. There are a ton of trainers but being new to dressage I really dont know who is reputable and many wont travel for lessons and i dont have a trailer so tough for me to go to them more than the occasionally.

Also worth noting that trainer #1 and #3 I was still riding in my close contact saddle and told them I was looking to really just improve my riding - since #2 I’ve gotten a dressage saddle and mentioned possibly showing at training next year so that may have impacted the general approaches.

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Not trainer 1. I dont like the suggestion of drawreins to a rider they have just ket or backing with halting.

Trainer 2 is right. Forward does not mean faster. You want a longer stride. You don’t want to be kicking him at all. A horse that only goes with legs on needs to be taught to go with legs off. A horse that won’t accept the leg on, needs to be taught to go with leg on. Both with no kicking.

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That’s a good sign to me. The last lesson I had with my previous trainer, she was having me run my green mare off her feet at the trot while saying “this horse isn’t even tracking up.” Well, she’s a weak baby and she’s getting buried on the forehand. The instructor I work with now has experience with my mare’s breed, and knows how to work with her conformation and temperament, and we’ve taken the time to build her up by increments so she has a pretty fancy trot and can track up now without falling on her face. FWIW, my mare is TB/QH and thus built with more pushing than carrying muscles, and it took getting her comfortable with most of the lateral work to really build her enough that she could carry and trot with some cadence. It’s important to have a trainer who understands that it’s not always the same linear progression for each horse. Good luck!

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Trainer three and anyone else she can recommend. Once a monthe good lessons is better than meh teaching from the wrong people. See if she can give you things to work on in between lessons, or give you video lessons in between. You get what you pay for.