white line treatment questions, frustrations, etc.

[blueribbonpanel]

I’ve been reading all I can about this since my horse has had this for quite a while. I ordered white lightening liquid which you mix with vinegar and water and soak the foot for about 30 minutes. I have used every kind of plastic known to man to soak the foot, and sometimes I even tripled the the layers but the horse’s foot ALWAYS punches through it and obviously all the white lightening drains out. The literature says to use an IV bag since supposedly they are tougher and the foot won’t punch thru the thicker plastic, but no where does it say WHAT SIZE. I have driven to 2 different vet clinics trying to find a new or used IV bag but they don’t have any big enough. I thought the one liter bag would be big enough since its over 4 cups, but when I got there, I see there is no way a horses foot will fit in that.

WHY doesn’t the literature, the zillions of different articles, mention more about this. I called a few vet catalogs and they don’t carry IV bags either.

Can anyone help. I am so frustrated by all this. I read that just 2 treatment can heal white line, but I’ve been doing this for a long time and the farrier said my horse still has white line.

[starhorse]

Could you get one of those rubber protective boots?

I used one of these when I had to soak my mare’s foot with epsom salts.

http://www.ridingwarehouse.com/Davis_Horse_Boot_0/descpage-DHB.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwla2tBRDY7YK9uKXe8R8SJAAhG6LGR4pbei-syJM9Y1PECoWto1JEVJon7n2fcqHpEFcCNhoC7k3w_wcB

[sunhawk]

I’ve never used white lightning and have been successful at getting rid of white line disease. Used iodine and made duct tape booties, with a baby diaper inside…the sticky tapes that do up around the waist are a nice fit around the pastern

[JB]

Old tire inner tubes work well.

Or, you can do the tall boot that’s recommended for Clean Trax

[eventingVOL]

It’s the empty 5L fluid bags. They work like a charm for most

[Austin_Rider]

These 911 hoof soaking boots solved the problem for me. Really durable and tough.

https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=b2222807-0db2-4470-a3dc-f5b9f34908c9

[ActNatural]

Okay, here’s what I did when my pony has white line. Buy gallon freezer bags with the slide. Not storage bags-make sure to get the freezer. They are stronger. Prepare soaking bags first. I make a crisscross pattern with duct tape on a door or wall like you were going to wrap an abscess… I can explain this further if needed but make it four layers. Then, peel it off the wall and stick the very middle of the gallon bag on the middle of the tape and fold the sides up. Stick another bag into the first bag (a double layer with the duct tape on the outside.
Next, once my bags are ready, I wash the foot with Dawn or something similar and scrub all the dirt off. Rinse very well. Then I slightly dry the foot as best I can with a towel and wrap the foot in vet wrap so it does not get dirty. Then I lead her to her stall so she’s standing on something soft. I park her in front of a flake of hay.
Next, I cut off the vet wrap and immediately put the foot in the bag making sure the duct tape is covering the bottom of the foot. Then, I slide the sliders closed until I’m ready to pour the liquid in. Once I’m ready to pour, I unslide the bags, pour in, slide shut and then wrap with vet wrap around the opening and up the cannon just enough to hold it up.
Once the soaking is up, I cut the vet wrap off and take the bags off. Without dropping the hoof, I pour out the liquid into a bucket, put the bag back on and rewrap with vet wrap so that the foot can continue to soak in the fumes. I can’t remember if white lightening says to do the second part or not. I used it twice and then switched to the generic that you mix half and half with vinegar.

Usually this does not leak but I try to keep my mare from moving much. The hay helps but also fly spray and sometimes just holding her head if necessary. It’s a pain! Let me know if you need me to clarify anything. I’ve had good luck with this!

[Frizzle]

Dry sacks for kayaking! Will make your life 1,000 times easier. Measure the stuff, dump it in the bag, put horses’s hoof in bag, secure top with Ace bandage, Saratoga bandage, or standing wrap. Seriously, don’t fall for the Clean Traxx bags–they’re something like $50, and look like a dry sack! You can get the dry sack shipped to your house for ~$25. I have this one, 10L http://m.basspro.com/Ascend-HeavyDuty-RoundBottom-Dry-Bags/product/10227450/ You can also get them on Amazon.

[Frizzle]

Oh, and I just pick and thoroughly wire-brush the hoof–no soap or water necessary!

[pezk]

The co that makes white lightening sells heavy duty plastic soaking bags, similiar to IV bags. Unless you have a draft horse, I can’t imagine a hoof wouldn’t fit. All you have to do is follow the directions for amt. put the horse on cross ties, put on bag, pour on the lightening and vinegar, wrap the top of bag around leg and tie with a piece of vet wrap. It’s not the liquid that kills the fungus and bacteria, it’s the gas produced by combining the lighting and vinegar.
Those bags can be reused a few times unless you let the horse off the cross ties during treatment / the horse starts stamping. Then the bag may tear. Sometimes you can re- enforce the outside bottom of bag with duct tape if you have a horse that won’t stand for 30min.

[PNW_AMTS_Dealer]

I use the gallon freezer bags and line with duct tape like described above.

[Tiffani_B]

White Lightning makes bags for this purpose. They’re heavy duty. I’ve gotten 2-3 uses out of each one before they get worn through.

http://www.grandcircuitinc.com/products/disposable-vaporsoak-bags

[pony_baloney]

My trimmer loaned me her Clean Trax soaking bags which worked very well; they can stand up when filled with water, which makes it easier to move the bag to another leg.

BTW, the taller bags and 1 gal. of liquid are what make the treatment effective. The large volume of water will push the Clean Trax up deeper into the hoof (don’t ask me how but it does). In the past I’ve used Davis soaking boots with Clean Trax and the White Line reoccurred. The tall boots, and following the directions exactly (wrapping the hoof in plastic directly afterwards, washing the stall with the solution) make it effective.

[blueribbonpanel]

Some good suggestions, but it just seems like a freezer bag would not be strong enough at all. since I tried every kind of plastic type bag I could find and the hoof punched through everything. I also find that if/when the horse decides to pick up its foot for whatever reason, the solution spills out. This whole process is so frustrating. You need to make a video… Also, I can’t picture how to use the innertube; aren’t they too skinny to use for a foot soak. Thanks all…

[Frizzle]

That is why you need the heavy duty dry sack! Seriously, SO easy and they last forever. The bag also goes all the way up to the horses’s knee and is fairly rigid, so they stay up very well. I just soaked my guy’s one hoof tonight–dumped the solution into the bag, placed hoof in bag, put the wrap on, and then groomed horse for 40 minutes while the hoof soaked. My horse dances around a ton, and the boot stays on no matter what, and no spilled solution. Believe me, I have done the whole plastic baggie thing and this is so much faster and easier!

[IndyEquestrian]

Try the White Line and Thrush Spray from Zephyr’s Garden, much less work involved and the stuff works amazingly. I feel like I did White Lightning soaks for months with the results only being mediocre, and then I saw the spray and bought it because “why the heck not?” It took some time, but it really works. I continue to use it when its wet and gross out as a preventative.

[Tiffani_B]

[QUOTE=blueribbonpanel;8238801]
Some good suggestions, but it just seems like a freezer bag would not be strong enough at all. since I tried every kind of plastic type bag I could find and the hoof punched through everything. I also find that if/when the horse decides to pick up its foot for whatever reason, the solution spills out. This whole process is so frustrating. You need to make a video… Also, I can’t picture how to use the innertube; aren’t they too skinny to use for a foot soak. Thanks all…[/QUOTE]

Did you miss my post where I linked to the White Lightning bags? No need for home made hacks. Buy the bags that are meant for the task.

[starhorse]

Really. Try the rubber boot I linked above. It has velcro at the top to strap it on and there is very minimal splashing if the horse walks.

[islandrider]

My horse had it really bad in one hoof due to being in “solitary” for months recovering from an injury. I used pretty much everything listed above, but the WLD was so far up in his toe that the WL didn’t touch it.

Now, two years later (after a mechanical laminitis, most likely due to how much damage the WLD did to the strength of the laminae)
I am keeping it at bay with No Thrush Dry Formula. I like this stuff. It seems to work very well. Good luck.

[Ambitious_Kate]

Seems like the OP just didn’t want to read about the soaking boots, the heavy duty dry sacs, the regular bags sold with Whitelightning. Wierd.