Who here bought "too much horse?"

I’ve bought too much horse once before. She wasn’t actually too much horse for my training skills, she was too much horse for my work schedule and training availability. She had some serious baggage about being blown up as a reining horse. Like she was fine walk/trot, but would literally explode into a bucking fit that lasted minutes long, if you asked for any more than that. She would also only walk down one side of the arena. I got her going better, going around the entire arena, working great walk/trot, but realized quickly that I did not have the time available to work her the way she needed to be worked to become a productive member of society. I sold her with full disclosure to a trail riding home who still uses her to this day.

She was just too much horse for my situation at the time I had her.

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I’ve had 3 I refer to as my Science Projects :cool:

Big TWH (17h) hardwired to gait.
When I first had him, trainer came to our 1st session, saw me bring him in & suggested I longe before getting on.
I declined & we managed to get around. Not pretty, but not dangerous.
I then moved him home & next saw trainer at a schooling show, some 6mos later. She expressed surprise at seeing how calm he was.
He never did trot, not even in pasture.
But he was a comfy ride & went camping with me.

2nd was my WB - all 17+h of him.
Former GP Jumper, his canter depart was {ahem} exciting. And sometimes he got a bit vertical as well. Maybe doable in the Jumper ring, not so good at home.
Trainer got on once, advised she would do no further rides. I understood loss of income if injured.
But working with me from the ground, about 2X/month, we fixed that issue.
He left so soft it felt like I just thought “canter”.

#3 is my current Gift Horse.
Alleged TWH, from a friend who used him solely for horsecamping & trailrides. She got him as a 7yo, had him 6yrs.
He was definitely gaited & we agreed if he wouldn’t trot (my interest is Dressage) he could go back to her.
2yrs working with same trainer, same infrequent lessons, he trots in a nice, round frame.
Again, I do all the riding, my choice.
His evasion is a wicked fast sideways spook, but we got a handle on that - he telegraphs his intent - so not a problem now.
Canter was a work in progress (friend never cantered him) when finances, weather & now COVID forced a hiatus in lessons.
But I expect we will get back up to speed.

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I had to put down my quirky, kind gelding 2 years ago. I’ve been riding other people’s horses and recently had the opportunity to purchase a lovely, big WB gelding with a heavenly canter. I loved him, but since I lost my boy, I’ve really been doing some soul searching about what I REALLY want in my next horse… 20 years ago I would have killed to own a fancy, big moving, purpose bred dressage horse like this guy… Now, not so much. I want a smallish (under 16hh), smooth moving, SAFE, easy going horse that is versatile and fun. Will I still do dressage ? Of course, but getting to FEI is no longer on my bucket list, but 2nd maybe 3rd level is pretty much all I aspire to, quadrille, obstacles, trail riding, camping are things I want to do. I passed on the big boy, once I reexamined what I wanted, it was an easy decision for me. His canter made my heart sing, and he was sweet as can be, but I’m sticking to my list… that unicorn is out there somewhere, LOL!

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I bought one that was “too much” for me and considered selling a couple of times in the first year but am so thankful I stuck it out. She made me a much better rider and we’ve done things I never dreamed I would try in the 5 years we’ve been partners. Although she never made me feel unsafe; I won’t do unsafe.

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I think there’s a continuum on the answer to this. Yes, my current young horse is “too much” in the sense that he’s super athletic, naughty, and makes me concerned I’m going to get pile driven more often than not. Haha. Not really the temperament I was going for. But, he’s teaching me to ride so much better and how to ride a “hot, more reactive talented horse”. The caveat for me is I have a lot of experience with young horses, will get help as needed, and don’t have a ton of expectations on a quick timeline. I know I’m not going to ruin him (also FWIW, horses are very resilient and people throw around the “ruining” term way too often I feel) If I make a “bad” decision or am not perfect in all my aids. We’re taking each day as it comes, and that’s OK. We aren’t going to get to the show ring as quick as I originally wanted, but life is, and I think he will eventually turn out very well.

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I guess you could say I bought ‘too much horse’ this time around. But not because he’s bad, or crazy, or too talented, or because I can’t train him, or any of the other typical reasons. He’s just super green, and that’s not what I should have bought (and I was actually intending to buy something very broke and solid, but here I am).

Like a few posters here, I spent my young adult years buying cheap prospects and bringing them along. At that time, I’d get on just about anything without fear; I was in great riding shape and had pretty good talent for staying on through idiot moves, and I was a sympathetic rider. Then, I had a kid, and the resulting mental switch that flipped gave me a newfound sense of mortality. :lol: Being out of the saddle for months made me weak, gaining weight and then losing it messed with my balance, and now I have fear - the irrational kind that says ‘you really suck now, what if you can’t handle this?’. My heart races while I tack up, and standing on the mounting block getting ready to swing a leg over practically gives me palpitations. But once I’m on and we get to work, I forget.

Ironically, this pony (yep, PONY) has not put a foot wrong under saddle. I bought him with two rides on him. I spent most of the last year riding him bareback in a halter in my unfenced outdoor arena. On the ground he’s a major twerpy teenager, but he’s mostly lazy and unreactive to ride.

The fear is in ME, and it’s something I created. It’s not particular to this pony - I’ve ridden friends’ horses, well trained ones, and my brain does the same OMG you’re gonna embarrass yourself and maybe dieee!! trick for the first few minutes. :lol: I acknowledge it and keep going anyway.

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I have seen this at both ends of the spectrum, ammies spending money on fancy horses and also others getting cheap or free or “rescue” horses.

I have also thought that naturally anxious people can make surprisingly bad choices this way because they always feel anxious and are continually cycling between giving in to irrational anxiety and trying to overcome it. But this means they know they can’t 100% trust their own fear responses so they may over ride those feelings when they are justified or may over ride legitimate feelings of physical fear while in the grip of social or personal anxiety. It’s also true that someone with a good streak of anxiety will be able to get anxious about any situation and can create a bad situation with a decent horse.

I’ve also thought that beginner riders who can’t keep a schooled horse balanced and straight also risk buying green or naughty horses because the ride doesn’t feel that different from the lesson horse that always bulges off the rail or won’t canter on cue for them because they can’t ride yet.

Also both categories of rider tend to over estimate how fast they learn and adapt physically.

I am not a particularly brave person physically but I have done enough introspection to know that a huge part of riding for me was that I have always felt safer in the saddle than on the ground, especially as a kid. And I also know that I am not a fast learner of physical skills, but I can improve with perseverance.

I had the wonderful experience as a teen of a hot little horse that was totally under my control, which has always seemed an ideal.

Also “too much horse” is a rather subjective judgement at a particular point in time. Some people rise to the challenge and become much better riders. Some get hurt or scared off and sell the horse. We don’t always know which way it will go at the start.

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I think this is the major, common mistake made. I believe that temperament is the most important thing – a willing attitude, honesty, kindness, a cooperative nature are qualities that are sometimes undervalued, IMO. I see riders not only being scared, but spending so much time (years!) and effort on a non-match. And there are horse/rider combinations who are not a fit due to rider fitness/athleticism (or lack therof), or the rider simply not having the time/energy/wherewithal to put into that particular horse (or themselves), when perhaps the pairing could have worked out in different circumstances.

Not to mention that situations change over time – for instance, my husband has always preferred a horse with a bit of an edge, the motor running, a quite forward horse (not a bolter or difficult personality, however), but he’s admitted to me that, at this latter time of life, he’s a little more interested in a little less forward ride. Time eventually catches up with us all!

When I say kind and cooperative, I don’t mean deadhead, either. Rather, a responsive horse that listens, pays attention, one which allows the rider the gift of that split second before things go sideways. I have no problem with forward – haven’t owned anything without forward – and I like sensitive. Forward and hot aren’t the same thing (to me), either, nor are forward and challenging, or hot and difficult, or sensitive and hot.

I’ve owned horses that were real thinkers/anticipators, where the riding challenge was to constantly think at least two or three steps ahead, and never repeat a pattern/sequence/combination, but that’s a sign of an intelligent, cooperating horse that is paying attention and wants to please - a horse that is in the game. I’ve owned very quick horses with lightning reflexes, which didn’t bother me – like I said, I don’t mean deadhead.

But I’ve never owned/bred a horse that didn’t want to listen, that didn’t have a try in it, that had a dirty stop or buck or spook, or was continually mentally exhausting, that lacked common sense or self-preservation. Sterling character has been of paramount importance to me when breeding my own stock, or when purchasing young prospects.

I do try to never just check out when riding - to always be present in the moment – even when hacking. I have to admit that I’ve come off only a handful of times in over a half-century of riding (including always starting my own horses, jumping back in the days when we ammies did big courses, polo, etc.), and have never broken anything, which surely colors my opinion. I have friends who have been very seriously injured riding (broken back, TBI, etc.), and I can well imagine how that could shake someone’s confidence, including my own, leading to a frightened, over-horsed rider.

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I bought too much horse about six years ago. As a para rider there are certain things that my horse has to be good with and dismounting is one of them. She was just too much horse for me in general.

I currently know a woman who purchased too much horse. She learned that she needed help and is in a great lesson program and every day this rider and the horse that she adores get that much closer to being the perfect match. And when her husband went out and purchased a Friesian that was too much horse, he put that horse into full training while he also worked on himself.

I would like to add that the rider you might see pottering around the arena at a walk and trot might be having the time of their life. Satisfaction and fulfillment come in many colors. Flip the script and instead of feeling sorry for those who are “only” going around the arena at a walk or trot, feel proud that our sport has room enough for everyone.
Sheilah-proudly walking and trotting around arenas for over five decades

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My current mare is too much but with lots of training for both of us I’m starting to catch up with her. It’s been a 6 year journey though maybe I’m too stubborn but I love my girl and didn’t give up.

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Absolutely!

We got my first horse when I was 8. My parents had agreed I would get a horse if still riding at 13. Then my mom was sick one day so my dad took me to my lesson and a teenage girl who had to sell her horse before college told him how I was a wonderful rider and the horse I was riding was a lot like hers, and I would do well with her.
She was the first horse I ever knew who was truly bonded to one person, and she got flat out mean for a while. She also had to trail ride some to keep her sanity, and I had not been trail riding her when she was at her worst. I spent months only riding her inside a fairly large corral with a trail course set up in it. She had 2-3 strides to lope/canter because it was so small, and could not get up steam for a good bucking fit. I was absolutely terrified for a time, but too stubborn to give up since I was sure it would mean no horse for me. She ended up being an amazing horse for me and went on to babysit for a family who I think had 7 kids in the home - some genetically theirs, some fostered or adopted. I learned a lot from her including that working through fear with horses requires learning the skills to handle it. As an adult, many people have commented to me that I am fearless around horses, but it’s really that I understand the drivers of fear and seek the skills needed for me to eliminate it, as my fears are reality driven rather than anxiety driven. Anxiety is a bitch I have seen affect so many and make them overhorsed when logically they have the skills needed, but emotionally they can’t. I’m lucky not to have that, and thankful every day.

My thoroughbred is clearly too much horse for me. He is the type of horse who is not mentally resilient, and everything which happens provides baggage for him. That alone wouldn’t be such an issue, but when I realized he was always minorly tying up due to magnesium deficiency after he fully tied up, and fixed it, he discovered his love of bucking. Before that his bucks were little annoyances we could deal with, but after he started doing his special move I call the handstand. He schooled through advanced size jumps as an eventer, so knew how to leap into the air from his regular stride. I’ve been told his leaps are pretty straight legged and all four get about 3’ off the ground, then he lands front hooves first and lets momentum carry hind legs over his head. He managed to get me off after a few of those in December 2012 when I was riding in a clinic, and the clinician recommended my now trainer.

My first 9 months with my trainer he did not let me ride any time my guy was going to be that way. At the time, he had about 3 really bad days every 2 months, which isn’t that bad at all. I was taking 6-8 lessons a week, riding around 15 hours a week between the lessons and horse at home. My trainer helped completely rebuild my position, which is how I discovered some of my position issues were simply that he is literally too much horse for me - I am 5’1", and with his shape my 5’11" friend thinks he’s the best fit she has ridden. However, I learned how to ride through all the bucking and deal with the fact he was never going to be easy to ride.
we thought he was retiring a bit under 2 years ago and I bought my young horse, and now he is actually still in 1/2 work as we got his hooves happier. He’s PO’d about working less since he doesn’t realize less work is why he feels good, so he has at least one bucking fit per ride. At this point only my trainer rides him, because where I can’t keep his head up on the leap phase, so I get the handstand as well, my trainer is stronger and can keep him from getting his head down, therefore never has to ride through ejector seat position. A couple incidents of whiplash from riding through that convinced me I simply don’t need to keep doing that to my body.

I bought my older mare from @acottongim who could tell she and I would be a good match. I specifically went looking for a young horse who lined up with my strengths and weaknesses, and she was a great personality fit for me. She is incredibly sensitive which I love, and in the early years was ready to take offense or be upset about things, but I have no problems staying calm and looking for other ways to explain things. Someone else would have tried to fight or be louder in demands and been a terrible fit, but she was just absolutely perfect for me. When my trainer started her he told me he normally tried to get in around 20 rides before clients rode, but she wasn’t physically capable of doing the things my TB did to me, so I was on her from the start. I thought my young mare would be too much for me physically, as she is as big as my TB if she hasn’t outgrown him while I’ve been quarantined, and her gaits are huge. They used my gelding to tease her dam, so I have known her since before she existed, and knew personality-wise she was pretty perfect. If anything she’s a little quieter and more lazy than I like; she gets hotter while in heat and is super fun those days. But when she was green and not even for sale yet and I rode her, I realized she is just super comfortable to ride. Since my right arm keeps popping out on me I had some struggles, and my trainer is working to get her consistently softer and more responsive while I’m not riding. But a forearm/elbow which keeps dislocating isn’t exactly the horse’s problem since it happens every time i try to carry something heavy or use a non-ergonomic mouse.

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I got an OTTB when I was 13 or so that turned into too much horse. Looking back, I don’t think he was bad–just got spoiled and overly bold–but I got scared of him. Only kept him for 18 months and got a perfectly lovely QH cross after that I kept until he passed. But during the years between I became a much better rider and trainer (I not only rode my guy but many others including some mid-level dressage horses of all breeds and temperaments).

So when it came to buying another horse after my steady guy passed, I did decide on another OTTB. I’ve had him five years now and don’t worry about the spooks and energy as he’s as honest as the day is long.

I think the biggest thing is not being scared of your horse on a regular basis. My guy has definitely done things that made me nervous, but he’s not doing them on a regular basis and they’re things that we train through and come out better on the other side. That line is different for everyone. I bought a Rocky Mountain Horse as a companion/trail horse for my OTTB and I have never even had the inclination of feeling uncomfortable on him. But his previous owner clearly had some issues if he got a little sticky (ears back and tail swishing). I tell him to get over it, and he does but she would just quit the ride for the day. Do I blame her? No–we all have different limits. I’m brave to some and a giant chicken to others and I’m OK with it.

I think this is a really good point.

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Thankfully, I have not. I’ve had couple that had issues but I was able to ferret out the cause, get help then we were on our way. I have had 4 I have bought youngsters and actually started them myself. For the most part, all very level headed and a crazy horse person for an owner that didn’t say no (to the challenge of starting them).

The last mare I had kept dumping me at the canter. I was able to figure out that I wasn’t getting out of her way. She was a very horizontal horse and level in balance at best and because she was unbalanced, I got to riding the canter very defensively thinking I could hold her up:o. Well, she took offense to that and would deposit me in the footing. After the 3rd time (and a mid-40’s body that didn’t bounce well anymore), I realized I needed help and sent her to a trainer for cantering boot camp (she had already been under saddle for nearly a year and yes, I was going s l o w l y). I knew this person could stay out of her way and let her figure it out. It took only 2 weeks…a couple lessons for me and off we went.

The current youngster just turned 18 this week:yes:. We had our challenges. She is 1/2 Andalusian and can be hot and reactive but nothing deliberate. Throw into that that as I started her dressage training, we had a pain issue related to her bit. As the bit pinched her inner cheeks and they got more sore, she got hella tense and distracted and SPOOKY. It took me about 8 months to discover the problem…another year to find a bit that didn’t pinch but then we were golden except overcoming all that tension from her first year of “work”. That doesn’t mean she can’t teleport out from under me but that hasn’t happened for quite awhile. I am leery of hitting the trail without company…that is where she is likely to teleport but probably my fault too for making her into an ‘arena flower’. She is very comfortable in the arena the but big wide world :eek:. We are working our way through that too. At 18, she is still as sassy as she was at 2. Very confident alpha mare that is sure that she should be the leader so that has presented some issues too but I have been able to work through them.

As I near 65, I am kind of coming to like pottering around the arena and the property where I board. I have had a lot of health issues and surgery in the last 6 years and just being on the horse feels pretty good. I don’t have a whole lot of drive that we HAVE to do anything beyond w/t/c.

Susan

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Also meaning that they do not have a horse that will he “too much” until they create one.

Take almost any horse feed it oats and corn, no turnout and expect it to he ridden once a week or once a fortnight.

Even placid Dobbin will turn into a fire breathing dragon.

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Oh man, can I identify with you!

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I see it happen. Too frequently. As an experienced amateur I WILL buy what I like. If trainer objects, then so sad too bad.

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Some people also cannot see it.

I was studying to be an instructor. One co-worker could ride. One was learning.

On my day off the one that could ride put the other co-worker on Venus. She was promptly bucked off and hospitalized.

I took the co-worker to the side and asked her why she had put co-worker on Venus.

Well she goes quietly for me I didn’t think it would be a problem.

Could you not tell that the only reason Venus went quietly for you was because you can ride? That she would not be quiet for a beginner?

No.

I had never left instruction for this not to happen because in my wildest dreams, it had never occurred to me that this would happen. (Forehead slap)

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My weird gift in this life is to make horses quiet, so I haven’t had one that was too much despite buying hot (Arab/saddlebred, Dutch Harness/Saddlebred, ottbs, etc). They may have started out with me thinking crap what did I buy…but in the end they were rideable, easily, by other people. Now that I am in my 50’s, for the first time I had someone else do the initial colt start on my last two, but I did all the basic work first and both were easy peasy to start undersaddle. As an instructor in the past I always warned someone if their prospective choice was going to involve many training rides and counseled them to buy what they could ride now instead as I prefer to teach someone to ride and train their own. My last student came to me because she had never ridden, bought and raised a friesian cross, had it started undersaddle, and then of course didn’t have the skills to ride. I took her from zero riding skills (but athletic 30 yr old) to starting second level work in 3 yrs. If she hadn’t found me I can only imagine how bad it would have been because the horse was bolting and running away with her.

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My “too much” horse was my first horse after not riding for 20 years. He was green broke. Prior owner never cantered him because he bucked so much. He was a pity buy. He wasn’t in the best situation for a horse. I felt sorry for him.

He bucked me off constantly the first 3 months. I fell off him every single day for 3 months.

I stuck with him for 6 months. Used all the trainers I could find. He really improved a lot, but wasn’t dependable. I was scared of him. I dreaded riding him. I kept waiting for him to explode again.

I kept thinking if I tried harder, that I’d be able to bridge the trust gap, but he sucked all the joy out if riding.

I ended up selling him after 6 months. By then he could reliably do a training level test at home, but hacking out could result in an explosion.

Two years later I saw a post on FB about the horse from a new friend. She told me she bought him from the lady I sold him to. She adores him. He packs her around like the sweetest gelding. She does beginner lessons on him with children. He’s a barn favorite. She’s never seen him buck, ever.

Sometimes horses and certain people just dont jive. I learned that my horror horse can be someone else’s perfect match.

I also learned that as the sole breadwinner, I sometimes need to make hard choices that I don’t like in order to ensure my family’s security too.

Also, selling him allowed me to find MY perfect match - a mare that had been sold because she was someone else’s “horrible” horse. lol Apparently her old owners couldn’t even enter the pasture without her charging them. She was sweet as pie for me.

I’m not so worried about selling/rehoming a bad match anymore - when I can get my ego out of the way haha.

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