My favorite QH stallion right now is Hot Ones Only. He embodies what a QH should be- good natured, easy to work with, versatile, and has good conformation and movement.
Skys Blue Boy and Artful Move have also made their mark as sires in the english rings as well, and have many babies that end up showing on both circuits.
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There are plenty of exceptions to every rule, but this is sort of like asking why you don’t see more TBs at rodeos.[/QUOTE]
Awesome answer!
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The second one you posted doesnt move like a rated show hunter though… and when he is moving he doesnt look like one either.[/QUOTE]
Have to agree with that. Right now it is hard to find a QH hunter sire with a high open shoulder angle for USEF quality hunter movement. For too long, QH Hunter Under Saddle horses that trot from their elbows have been desirable. I would love to find one that does not.
Here is Skys Blue Boy in his pasture. I bred a gelding sired by him dispite that I really did not like SBB’s shoulder conformation even though he stands uphill (loved his mind), but he has turned out to be the sire of quite a few very nice hunters:
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Because QH breeding has become so much more ‘event specific’ in the past 10 or 20 years, there is much more TB breeding in the english horses. When you stand a halter horse next to a hunter-under-saddle horse you will notice that even though they are the same breed they are built differently.[/QUOTE]
Yep, thats because many of the so called “Quarter horse” hunters are hardly Quarter Horses at all. Many of them are as much as 7/8 or even 9/10 thoroughbred, yet they are still considered AQHA registered quarter horses. Once an Appendix stallion has 10 AQHA points, he can be bred out to thoroughbred mares and the resulting foals can be registered AQHA. So now you have a 3/4 thoroughbred 1/4 QH that is being registered as 100% Quarter horse. Say that horse is bred to another thoroughbred, then you have an almost entirely thoroughbred foal that is being called a QH. Many of the most successful “QH” hunters are actually thoroughbreds :eek:
ALL about conformation
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Yep, thats because many of the so called “Quarter horse” hunters are hardly Quarter Horses at all. Many of them are as much as 7/8 or even 9/10 thoroughbred, yet they are still considered AQHA registered quarter horses. Once an Appendix stallion has 10 AQHA points, he can be bred out to thoroughbred mares and the resulting foals can be registered AQHA. So now you have a 3/4 thoroughbred 1/4 QH that is being registered as 100% Quarter horse. Say that horse is bred to another thoroughbred, then you have an almost entirely thoroughbred foal that is being called a QH. Many of the most successful “QH” hunters are actually thoroughbreds :eek:[/QUOTE]
Not true. A horse cannot be more than 7/8ths TB to qualify for Appendix papers. One of mine is 7/8ths TB. He was bred to a couple mares before gelded, and had one of those mares been a TB, that resulting foal would have not been eligible for any kind of QH papers. Yes, any appendix horse, once they receive their ROM, are eligible for full papers. BUT they still cannot receive full papers unless 1/8 or more is QH.
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Not true. A horse cannot be more than 7/8ths TB to qualify for Appendix papers. One of mine is 7/8ths TB. He was bred to a couple mares before gelded, and had one of those mares been a TB, that resulting foal would have not been eligible for any kind of QH papers. Yes, any appendix horse, once they receive their ROM, are eligible for full papers. BUT they still cannot receive full papers unless 1/8 or more is QH.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, wasnt aware that the limit was 7/8. Still though, that can hardly be called a QH.
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Sorry, wasnt aware that the limit was 7/8. Still though, that can hardly be called a QH.[/QUOTE]
Then, what do you think of the WBs?:lol:
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Then, what do you think of the WBs?:lol:[/QUOTE]
Warmblood is such a general term. QH is so specific. When somebody refers to their QH, it should be safe to assume they mean QUARTER HORSE, not 7/8 thoroughbred. JMO. 
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Warmblood is such a general term. QH is so specific. When somebody refers to their QH, it should be safe to assume they mean QUARTER HORSE, not 7/8 thoroughbred. JMO. :)[/QUOTE]
I meant the individual WB registries like Oldenburg?
The QH breed is young so the AQHA is still trying to develop the breed to its fullest.
While I found watching that video extremely annoying with the slow-mo and super short jumping clips, I must say I love the jump on that grey horse… Would have that one in my barn in a heartbeat!
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Warmblood is such a general term. QH is so specific. When somebody refers to their QH, it should be safe to assume they mean QUARTER HORSE, not 7/8 thoroughbred. JMO. :)[/QUOTE]
And what’s the difference between the above and when someone says warmblood and it’s 7/8 thoroughbred also 
There are a couple quarter horses in our hunt and a TON of paints (including mine). The problem is that there is such a big difference in body types in quarter horses. The big bulky-bodied, tiny-footed halter horses aren’t going to have the stamina to last through a 15-20 mile hunt, or the feet to stay sound. On the other hand, there are some very nice hunter-type quarter horses that have speed and stamina for the runs and the brain to know when to quiet down at a check. Heck, Indian Artifacts looks like a fancy warmblood! Any type with correct training and conditioning could take a coop in the field but not all will have an easy 12 foot canter stride to make a course of jumps look pretty.
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And what’s the difference between the above and when someone says warmblood and it’s 7/8 thoroughbred also ;)[/QUOTE]
Because technically, that IS a warmblood, or at least warmbooded. "A cross between a “hot blooded” horse (thoroughbred in this example) and a “cold blooded” horse (not specified). That is a warmblood. Now if the speaker were to get specific and say for instance their Hanovarian, when in fact their “Hanovarian” is actually 7/8 thoroughbred, then that is just as incorrect as the QH example. My point was that many of the so called QH hunters are more thoroughbred than QH. To me, that is sort of like false advertisement. The AQHA is trying to promote versatility in their breed, but they are not, they are just creating a QH cross. Big Whoopty-doo. :lol: My warmblood could be versatile too. Perhaps I should breed my warmblood to a gaited horse. Then I will have a gaited warmblood. But, shhhh. We will just forget that it has any Gaited blood in it and pretend its just naturally a versatile horse.
Sorry if this comes across as bitter or snarky. It is quite the opposite. I dont mean to offend anyone or bash any breeds. I have nothing against QH’s or QH crosses. Heck, I work at a QH barn, specializing in AQHA horses. I love a good QH. Its just something that has always gotten under my skin.
Warmbloods are registries…not breeds, with a few notable exceptions. Totally different ball of wax.
Spmoonie: a warmblood is not a cross between a hot blood and a cold blood (unless you’re one of the less respected registries).
Since many of the modern Quarter Horses trace back to the original brush track racing quarter horses - 1940’s crosses between cowponies and TBs - later formed into a registry, then a breed association, I believe the Quarter Horse is the original “American Warmblood”.
I have an AQHA gelding I absolutely adore - sweetest personality ever, and very cute. He has done a limited amount of showing - a few times in the baby green hunters, and a few times in the pregreens/childrens. He has a cute jump, but not enough step for the lines at the A/AA shows - he tends to get long and reachy. However, now that he’s gotten some show mileage, he’s moving over to the jumper ring, and I think he will be a star in the high Ch/Ad.
I also have a young Appendix mare, and holy crap does she have a huge stride and tons of scope! The first time we schooled her through a gymnastic, she came in at a slow trot and handily bounced an 18’ in-and-out. She can leave out a stride in a line and look like she’s just loping along. And she’s only 15.3…but does have a lot of TB on her papers. We’re working on teaching her a little bit about collection before we take her to a show
how they’re judged
I’ve talked about this with two bosses who, are born and bred QH people; but, the movement is pinned by theQH judges is not desirable :no:in the other disciplines:sadsmile:; as one said, look atthe:eek: canter:o isthat useful for any other division?:no:
Far as the USEF rated level at 3’ and above? If many could do it, you would see more out there. There are some. of course.
Hunter people on the Open USEF circuit are notorious about not caring so much about how they are bred. It’s all in the right kind of canter and a great to spectacular jump created by a certain kind of conformation. Some QHs have it. Those can do it. Most do not as it has not been selected for.
Not to be snarkey here, I had a QH Appendix as my first Adult (3’) hunter. But if there are any registered with AQHA (white papers)regularly competing TODAY in the First Year Green, Second Years, Regulars or Jr/AO Hunters at 3’6", 3’9" at 4’ evels or in those Hunter Derbies at the 4’+ level? Who are they?
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I would think that they would not have a big enough stride to get down the lines at the rated shows.[/QUOTE]
yep that was our problem…jumped anything, just didnt have the stride
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