Why do they care what tweed we wear?

I will first say that I am a non-bling person. My bridles have plain browbands, my saddle pads are plain white (ok, one has a narrow caramel-color binding, lol), my boots have no embellishment. My show clothes are conservative. But this is MY choice.

That said, I don’t understand why USEF and USDF care what color or pattern jacket, shirt, helmet, breeches, or boots anyone wears into the ring. Maybe a judge could be distracted by your gorgeous plaid coat, or your shiny hot pink satin pad that matches your hot pink breeches and your hot pink blinged out boots. If that’s a chance you’re willing to take, why does USEF or USDF care?

They should leave us alone to make our personal sartorial choices.

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I agree with you for the most part. But there can be too much bling. Having sat in either chair in the judge’s booth many times, I can tell you that often the sun will hit some of that bling and blind the judge and scribe. You don’t want the judge missing a movement because they couldn’t see you, right?

Also, imagine a black and white hound’s tooth check jacket? OMG that’s ugly. I think it would distract the judge. If you give people an inch, many of them will gladly take the mile. Now, as to which patterns/colors/etc. are disallowed and which are allowed by TPTB? Seems very subjective. Your guess is as good as mine.

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I agree about the bling, but as I stated in the OP, if that’s the chance someone wants to take, let them

As for the hound’s tooth, beauty (or ugly) in in the eye of the beholder. You or I thinking something is ugly is irrelevant to someone else’s taste.

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I agree, if someone wants to hurt their score by wearing distracting attire, I don’t see an issue. Judges are people and if your neon pink, green and purple argyle causes them vertigo it’s your cross to bear.

Maybe judges could put that note in the comments so the riders know what to work on…

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The problem then is that it allows people the perspective of the judging dinging them for not liking their clothes, and if we want to use a slippery slope argument, people saying judges knocked them down because they weren’t wearing x,y,z (not saying that would actually impact judging but if we want that social license then we need to play carefully).

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Well, for decades it was plain black and white. Now they’ve compromised and opened it up to what some committee thought was “tasteful.”

Perhaps they looked at Western Pleasure in horror

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Besides dressage, I compete in a second sport where there is no dress code --nothing in the rules requires boots, long pants, etc. The only requirement is that if the rider is 16 or under, the rider must wear a helmet. Adults can sign a waiver.

While most riders who compete in Mounted Archery wear something sport appropriate (boots, long pants, etc), there was a boyfriend of a competitor at our last meet who signed up to ride. He came out in fluffy slippers, pj pants, a T shirt, and had painted his face in a design of some kind --half pink, half blue. He could barely stay on the girlfriend’s horse. Yes, he looked like a clown. Many people --spectators and competitors, laughed at the sight.

I take my sport seriously. I work hard to improve and compete often. I may lack a sense of humor, but this wasn’t funny to me. It was insulting. To me it was similar to the once popular “kissing bandit” in baseball --I think —a woman who would run out and try to kiss players --her purpose was to stop the sport and draw attention from the sport to herself.

Without some kind of dress requirement in dressage, is it possible riders would come out in ever increasingly bizarre attire?

There is discussion in my second sport about creating a rule for dress --currently some riders dress as Renaissance style riders, others do a kind of saloon girl look with corsets and skirts (I had to help one rider untangle her feathers from her bowstring.) A few dress as Native Americans, but the two I knew were members of Indigenous tribes. The one woman who was not stopped wearing native clothing when someone explained cultural appropriation to her. Two contestants almost got into a fist fight when one dressed in traditional Middle Eastern garb, and the other contestant had only recently returned from a tour of duty in the same region. And then there were the political slogan T shirts --a few with F*** on them.

If I ruled the world, I would say “no costumers.” But how do you define a costume? The Japanese archers wear traditional Yabusame clothing --from the Middle Ages --how is that different than an American archer dressed as a Viking complete with horned helmet?

I am happy there is a dress code of some kind in dressage --that way I don’t have to think about what I will wear!!

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I say no dress requirement. Take your chsnce with possible judge biases.

Other equestrian disciplines seem to do fine with that freedom even including the bling - unless of course Arab and QH judges have extraordinary eyesight - and by seeing what they pin, they apparently don’t LOL

Freedom of clothes is what I support.

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The funniest thing about the dress code is no limit on the color of boots. You can ride in red, white, and blue boots with a flag design and that’s okay. You can ride in glitter boots. It seems so inconsistent.

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It is inconsistent which is part of why it’s stupid. In judged events, appearance matters and that’s enough to have competitors choices be its own self regulation. Sure you can dress in all green like you’re a celery stick, but will you be judged differently?

Works for me.

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:rofl: I still do!
Some of the Bling! in that arena is actually blinding & under lights :dizzy_face:
:thinking:I guess WP judges’ eyes are lowered to watch the non-movement* & spared sun or lights glinting off rhinestones :smirk:

*Bash away, WP lovers, zero flexion in hock or knee is taking Blue.
Horses DoNot move like that in nature.

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WP movement is horrendous. But notice no one is saying WP outfits are horrendous.

That’s the point.

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I never really did understand why plaid specifically isn’t allowed. I mean, I suppose you could have a custom made hideously LOUD plaid coat, but plaid in general isn’t new in coats. Neither is pinstripes. Both have been around for decades.

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:raised_hand:I’m saying it.
But then, I am the Queen of Anti-Bling :princess:
Off with the fake tails (Hunters, you too!)!
Pry off at least half the rhinestones from the slinky jackets!

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English disciplines are in general conservative. Look at hunters, or look at actual field hunting! Show jumpers has loosened up a bit and gone for a more athletic look with sunshirts and no jackets in some situations but still has a basic breeches and jacket format. Even sports like TB racing that are colorful still have pretty uniform gear.

I honestly don’t mind the black and white outfit for dressage. I don’t like sparkles anyhow. I love the ranch horse look, but I can’t abide the neon and tat in many Western disciplines.

I like the idea of the outfits being so basic you can compare horse to horse more easily. I don’t think that’s impaired by including dull or darker colors. But then this is how I dress in nonhorse world too!

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The entire dress code was written in a way that makes me think it was put together in a hurry, by a working group who had one member (the leader?) who was very outspoken and old school in their thinking, almost impossible to deter from their personal likes and dislikes, and who overruled everyone.

Both the drive to relax the rules and encourage new people in the sport AND the desire to keep judging as objective as possible by keeping a lid on the circus costumes both met their fates in this hot mess…

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Blame Canada. It’s because Grapes. You shouldn’t need to scroll too far on this page to understand if you don’t already know: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=557502889&q=don+cherry’s+suits&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi32ZCj5eGAAxVGMDQIHVwmBuoQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=1280&bih=595&dpr=1.5

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Don Cherry, haha. I love hockey, so very familiar with him. :joy:

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Neanderthal!!

:rofl:

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I agree with the sentiment, but I actually support a dress code.

I’m not a dressage judge, but have done my fair share of judging at local schooling shows back in the day.

Conformity, or at least a degree of conformity, makes it easier to judge as objectively as possible.

Many people might see it as, “well that’s a risk a competitor takes if they choose too wildly.” But it’s about the integrity of scoring period. If everyone is dressed similarly, it’s easier for clothing choice to be (mostly) closed for debate and the scoring to be strictly about the execution of the test. No judge is perfect and biases exist anyway, but imagine how chaotic it would be if person A should have won but was given lower scores because the judge hates turquoise plaid. But next show’s judge doesn’t care about turquoise plaid so they win. Suddenly it all becomes a fashion show instead of a dressage show.

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