Why does no one question horse prices?

[candyappy]

@self_made_hunter_jumper

I know horses are expensive, but it’s gotten a little ridiculous - don’t you think?

I think it has. Sadly everything has gotten out of control price wise. Housing, vehicles, etc…

I am a frugal person and I am also not a person who has ever had much money in my life. I work hard, pay my bills but the thought of people paying even $10,000 for a horse ( let alone $50,000 +) that can slip in it’s stall/ pasture and be worth basically nothing in a heartbeat is mind boggling.

I guess if you can pay it and afford the insurance to recoup your investment it is worth the gamble but I think the current prices are out of control. Even grade horses on CL are going for $10,000 if they are ridable.

[FjordBCRF]

@self_made_hunter_jumper

Gaslighting is a form of abuse. You don’t know me and I don’t know you. Not sure why you feel the need to continue to attack me - I hope you find help for whatever anger you feel the need to take out on Internet forums.

You are not being gaslit. You are being asked to explain your statements at which point, you play victim and blame someone for saying something you didn’t like. I’d be curious to the tracks and trainers you refer to as well as all of these money laundering instances. That would be a relevant part of a dialog not just throwing out claims than pointing fingers.

Gaslighting: Signs and Tips for Seeking Help

Signs of gaslighting

1. insist you said or did things you know you didn’t do
2. deny or scoff at your recollection of events.
3. call you “too sensitive” or “crazy” when you express your needs or concerns.
4. express doubts to others about your feelings, behavior, and state of mind.
5. twisting or retelling events to shift blame to you

None of these things have been done in this discussion. Your statements are being challenged and then you shut down.

[self_made_hunter_jumper]

Would you like me to connect you with the various horse rescue operations I am affiliated with? Would you like to tell them they’re lying about all the horses they saved, all the legal battles they fought, all the horses they took in because of careless sellers who didn’t pay attention to where they ended up?

Denying horse slaughter is cruel and a slap in the face to people doing the work no one else wants to do and NOT getting paid for it.

[KBC]

I think you were being asked for specific examples of horses being euthanized straight off the track rather than sold, or this being used as a form of blackmail to get people to buy. That’s a trick as old as the hills, to get softies to ante up the cash.

AND, there are worse fates than slaughter, a lifetime of misery being handled by a succession of people on too much of a hurry to change your life completely and get you doing new things, for instance.

Safe humane slaughter in local, well run well regulated plants, rather than being hauled out of the country, and processed through a factory, where I guess, hypothesize, and bet, that no one gives a rats patooty about the horses.

[self_made_hunter_jumper]

It seems we’ve come full circle on the pricing discussion.

I think I found the answer I was looking for.

[AltersAreUs]

@Scribbler

The spinning at the jump made me laugh. What horse has not done that at times? Wrong distance, insufficiently forward ride, new arena, new poles, funny shadows? If the OP is seriously thinking this is an OMG moment then the OP has on fact shown they have not restarted any OTTB or projects.

Made me laugh out loud too - every $$$$$ young horses I’ve jumped has pulled that trick with me at some point or other (OMG, the sun just came out, I can’t jump that NOW!!!) and those horses were NOT traumatized. They were just young and silly and reacting without their brain in the loop.

[Jealoushe]

@self_made_hunter_jumper

Gaslighting is a form of abuse. You don’t know me and I don’t know you. Not sure why you feel the need to continue to attack me - I hope you find help for whatever anger you feel the need to take out on Internet forums.

Yeah it is, but that isn’t what gaslighting is, is it.

It’s called calling a spade a spade. You want to throw accusations and insults around but pointing out truths makes you boo hoo to me? Sounds a bit like gaslighting…the irony.

[chestnutmarebeware]

I’m so confused…

Could someone provide a flowchart of this discussion? I lost track of the actual issue about 10 posts into the thread.

[lenapesadie]

Also calling BS

Race trainers certainly aren’t making such comments to outsiders.

But you know kids, they’ll say anything

[Jealoushe]

@self_made_hunter_jumper

Would you like me to connect you with the various horse rescue operations I am affiliated with? Would you like to tell them they’re lying about all the horses they saved, all the legal battles they fought, all the horses they took in because of careless sellers who didn’t pay attention to where they ended up?

Denying horse slaughter is cruel and a slap in the face to people doing the work no one else wants to do and NOT getting paid for it.

Yes please, I would love the contacts of those people.

Also, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said in reply to your post.

But keep dancing around the questions.

[lenapesadie]

[edit]

Everyone here is aware of what the slaughter pipeline looks like

[Jealoushe]

@lenapesadie

Race trainers certainly aren’t making such comments to outsiders.

But you know kids, they’ll say anything

truth

It’s funny how in all the years and all the visits to the track, I had to beg and plead to get put on the list for horses to be the one contacted when they are done racing. One of my mares I followed for years…and harassed my connection until the day she was done racing.

But owners are begging and tricking people to take them on the back stretch? Sure.

I’m sure it could happen, but its the exception, not the norm. OTTBs are being snapped up in hrs of being listed currently.

[hybriseris]

@self_made_hunter_jumper

We’ve got people who are happy to pay ridiculous amounts for horses because THEIR time and money is valuable, but those same people are also unaware that horse slaughter is not legal in the US and sporthorses should not ever be sold for human consumption - yet they are.

I have read this sentence multiple times and I’m still not sure what point you’re trying to make or how these two ideas are connected.

[ThreeWishes]

[lenapesadie]

Right!

I’m not denying that lame horses might end up in a kill pen. They sure do. But the story that trainers (multiple!) at racetracks (multiple!) are telling some rando that the chuck wagon is coming for the horse? Absurd.

[KBC]

Now here’s a thought, the baseline price for horses is the price per pound at the auction, that’s the price fixer. Every horse above that level has something that improves their market value, the more bells and whistles the greater the value of the horse. As buyers we have choices, go and bid at the auction, one of those discarded TB’s maybe, and in a few years if good feeding and training you MAY have your top flight hunter, or he might of died, be permanently lame, or have no interest at all in making pretty shapes over fences. He will still be value added, but you might not get back your investment, if sound, and alive of course. Them you start all over again.

I keep coming back to how damn fortunate we are that we can love horses like we do, and not have to eat them, because we have plenty of protein choices.

[eightpondfarm]

@ThreeWishes

I doubt useable horses will end up in rescues.

i’ve found several usable horses in a rescue. And of course, the old and broken ones too. In my ‘rescue’ herd of 10, only half are sound of mind and body enough to ride. ( the Mustangs are a whole nuther kettle o fish)

Just for edification…I have no clue about horses that jump for their living. Are there more high dollar ones in hunter/jumper/eventing than there are in the dressage world? or QH world?

I totally think there are people who seek a high dollar horse for competition, and not just competition in whatever ring, but in bragging rights that they spend x-amount of big money.

Which is totally fine.

@ThreeWishes

And I say that from the perspective of someone who has kept their old and or broken horses until the end and also taken in other peoples.

[BrendaJane]

frankly I think the group of people with disposable income is shrinking.
Others are aging out of the sport.
That leaves a handful of people with deep pockets to gobble up the ‘top horses’. Sometimes you find out that the horse you bought is just not for you. (great for the seller to get that kind of money)

That would also mean the used saddle market isn’t expanding along with the horse market.
You buy millions worth of horseflesh, you can drop a few grand on a new (custom perhaps) saddle as well.

[lenapesadie]

I’m calling it BS just like every other half cracked comment you’ve made here. Go do your home work or something

[BrendaJane]

good grief, you are all over the place with your dislikes this week, aren’t you.