Very interesting take on the TC.
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In the TB industry, “sht happens" and AI are both an issue. Compared to other breeds that allow AI like the STB "sht happens” much less because of live cover. The issue is soundness not where sperm first gets to swim.[/QUOTE]
My reference to “sh*t” happens" was to the idea that while more mature horses are less likely to breakdown, breakdowns still occur. I fail to see a link between live cover and soundness of the offspring.
FWIW, in the past I had some connections with STB trainers and owners, and in general, breakdowns were less frequent and usually less traumatic when they did occur. I doubt that AI versus live cover has much, if anything, to do with that. STB conditioning is different and, of course, the horses pull, but do not carry weight.
Here’s a good comparison. I guess you can look at it from a number of angles.
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The JC requires DNA testing. Pictures. Marking identifications. Let’s keep the conversation current, with all do respect. What makes you think AI precludes mistakes? I think we’re probably looking at different points in time as it relates to breeding.[/QUOTE]
DNA is relatively recent. I remember being in a barn with 2 yos, and the tattooer came in to do the tats, and noted that the horses he was tattooing did not match their papers. Another case of mixed up halters.
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DNA is relatively recent. I remember being in a barn with 2 yos, and the tattooer came in to do the tats, and noted that the horses he was tattooing did not match their papers. Another case of mixed up halters.[/QUOTE]
I think you make my point. In your example an error was averted by reading the papers. The notion that if the JC allowed for AI that less errors would occur is unsubstantiated imo.
I always thought it was the Saratoga track surface–that it was deeper/“loam-y-er” or at least different from what some horses shipped in were training on or perhaps liked/preferred/ran best on?
Not sure exactly where that story was trying to go. But historically, when there is a horse out there that looks like he/she might become one of the great ones, there is a huge following. Man O’ War’s funeral was actually covered on the radio. So blaming everything on social media, etc., is ridiculous.
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Very interesting take on the TC.
Not sure where this story was trying to go, but historically, the public has always been obsessed with horses perceived as great ones. Man O War’s funeral was broadcast on the radio for heaven’s sakes.
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Are they going to race AP until he either breaks down or gets sour enough that he starts getting beaten by lesser horses regularly?
Does that have a point?
What more does the first Triple Crown winner in a generation have to PROVE?
PLEASE send him to stud already, before there’s a senseless tragedy![/QUOTE]
A lot.
I wouldn’t say he has “a lot” to prove, but if he is to be considered one of the all time greats, he’s got some more winning to do.
Possibly they don’t feel he desperately needs to be on a subjective list of all-time greats (I mean, of American horses only that’s Man o’ War, Secretariat, and every other spot’s up for debate anyway) but being the only Triple Crown winner in more than a human generation is enough.
