Why stall boarding rates need to at least double across the Midwest

After offering stall boarding for up to 16 boarders, I have come to one conclusion : The stall boarding industry is broken - at least in my city. My rates per month are competitive with the rest of the city barns at about $500/month. After buying hay, water, shavings, labor, mortgage, utilities, etc. I make $0 profit. This seems to be the same story for MANY boarding barns. How is this an acceptable standard in the industry? How is a barn to make improvements, pay the owners, provide good care? The stall boarders are staying at these barns essentially for free. For the amount of work, complaints, and overtime hours for the horses care, the requested additions (like bigger indoor arena, bigger turnouts, etc) how is this sustainable?

I used to look at old barns and think " why don’t they improve XY and Z?" the truth is, it’s unaffordable!

I have been told the way a barn makes its money is through training and selling horses. But let me get this straight : I have to take the money I make from training and selling horses in order to buy a new indoor arena for the clients that pay essentially nothing?

Horse boarding should be at minimum, $1000/month across the Midwest. I don’t see how stall boarding can sustain itself.

I’m Probably the only one that feels this way, but I’d like to know your thoughts!

I’m in the Midwest, north of Chicago. Even dumpy places are at least $900 if they have an indoor. There are fewer and fewer just boarding barns though. Most are show barns and get upward of $2500 per month.

Perhaps it would make more sense for more boarding facilities to offer 24/7 outdoor board with a reserved stall? It’s better for the horses, cheaper on labor and supplies?

I have paid between 350-450/mo for pasture board in NoVA and MI areas recently. I am fine with that. I have access to the facilities and have good care for my horse.

If board were 1k/mo for that? I’d be out of horses for sure. I have leased private property and done self care in MI and I don’t see how it can cost 1k/mo to keep a horse unless the property is really expensive. I know what hay costs. I know what shavings cost. If you can’t make a profit on 500/mo then you might be in a really costly land sitch or aren’t doing it right.

One of the biggest wastes I see is in shavings. When a farm decides not to clean stalls one day per week, they really screw the pooch on shavings because keeping a clean stall makes things last longer. I see many barns that strip weekly due to this Sunday crap. Well, it’s silly. I had 14 x 14 stalls that I only stripped once per month or longer and added a bag every week. Because I managed my stalls.

I also think that putting out round bales rather than feeding flakes is a mistake and money waster.

But 1k in the Midwest? Unless you’re talking major cities and very close in? No way.

This has been building for 25 years.

The problem is that the cost of land has become prohibitive. That produced several things,

  1. When I was a kid (1980s, NorCal) trainers owned they farms. They could make board a “loss leader” because they had the real estate investment. When they got tired, and perhaps hadn’t saved a lot while working, they sold the farm and retired on the proceeds.

That’s fine, but you can only do that once. And what that looked like was

  1. In the rich (and credit rich) 1990s or so, the only people who hung onto their farms were those who had finished paying mortgages for them. Or people who made gobs of money in the dot.com world bought hobby farms.

In both cases, board could be a loss leader (of sorts) because there wasn’t a note to pay. Or rather, you couldn’t feasibly plan to borrow in order to run a boarding facility. The landless HOs would simply go to a barn already paid for and pay less.

Some people could undercharge because they considered themselves to be making money if the cost of their horses were covered. The mortgage they did pay on the hobby farm they considered a sunk cost. And many people had boarding businesses so that they could borrow and write off large improvements like indoor arenas that they wanted, but could not have bought for themselves with after-tax dollars.

Think about how many pros now lease stalls vs. how many owned the farm in yestercentury. So that segment of the industry is getting poorer, too. After all, what will the aging horse trainer do for a retirement fund if he/she never had the farm to cash in?

  1. The earning power of individuals, by and large, has gone down since the 1970s. We didn’t feel the pinch when both parents started working outside the home. But that rise in the cost of living would catch up with us, sooner or later. The middle class has been slowly getting priced out of owning horses for a long time. The sharp increase in the cost of college (or health care or retirement, any of those big life expenses) put the final nail in the coffin for many families who, a generation earlier, would have been well-off enough to also feed a horse.

  2. For those who owned farms outright and couldn’t/didn’t want to sell out, it made sense to slash prices. After all, it’s an expensive asset that can’t just sit there and make money or even pay for itself. You either run a boarding barn and at least make it break even, or you lose money as the farm deteriorates.

I will tell you that where I am (Oregon’s Willamette Valley) this has been the trend since the 2008 recession. It would make no economic sense to open a boarding barn here unless the farm was already paid for. And you can’t sell a big, 35 stall place.

ETA, 4.5: One of these big, mega-boarding places at 35 stalls would cost between $900K and $1.2M here, depending on your proximity to Portland (our money-generating metropole). (And by the way, back when I was a kid, one trainer could have filled all 35 stalls). If you were to sink that money into`that farm, you’d probably have to lease out stalls to a few smaller trainers. That’s work. Worse case scenario (as has happened here), you have a mixture of individual boarders (perhaps even doing self-care) and pros who lease a block of stalls.

If you had enough sense to make around $1M, why would you use that money to buy a farm that promised you lots of work and no return for your effort to run the boarding part of it?

  1. The horse-loving middle class wants to hang on, and so do the people who own these farms. So they agree to underpay until there’s nothing left of the industry.

And now they complain that they can’t get good help or try to avoid paying their workers and OK wage and all the taxes that go with them. The trend here is toward a lot of self-care and co-op barns, just as a way to cope with labor costs.

Having been on both sides of this business and chosen where I lived based on my ability to pay at least middle-of-the-market horse board, I have always thought that the HOs were being unwise to keep doing their part to drive down board prices, particularly what we were willing to pay for skilled labor.

Anyone who thinks she’s saving money and getting superior care driving to the barn to deliver self-care is either living in a very bad market and doing OK by her horse…. or is fooling herself about the savings of money and the quality of the care (and facility) she’s getting. I say that as someone who is in a partial care barn and going out there more than 1x/day 7 days a week. And I still don’t think my horses are cared for as well as they would have been in a barn in more sophisticated market 20 years ago. Our local boarding scene has been so whittled down to basics that you can’t get great full care for any price. Folks just don’t know what that looks like…. or can’t find enough people who would be willing to pay for it.

I draw from having boarded horses in big boarding barns, private little barns and training barns in the SF Bay Area, rural NY metropolitan NY/CT and now Oregon.

Sorry for the long exegesis. I have thought about this a lot and wondered what my part was in helping to create bad care for horses. My point is that there are causes…. but they are such fixtures in the boarding industry…. we have been underpaying for so long… that I think the OP is right: You’d have to really jack up prices. Or, as is more likely, you can’t unwind the effect of economic changes that took 25 years.

but mvp, you hit the nail on the head…
nobody in their right mind would try to start up or purchase a boarding facility in this day and age.

OP, you’re preaching to the choir! :yes:

And the situation is not limited to the midwest. The cost of caring for horses has shot through the roof over the past few decades, specifically in residential areas. Yet the market has prevented boarding prices from increasing at the same rate.

The bubble is going to have to burst at some point.

This is not a new problem. Twenty years ago, I built a barn and indoor and boarded horses in Michigan. I did not break even. I actually did not even come close to breaking even until I changed the rules such that all boarders had to have weekly lessons, and the cost of those was added into a higher board $$.

Unless you have owned a barn, it is difficult to understand the expense. I am now on a family farm for which I pay for repairs, mowing, driveway, etc but I do not have to pay taxes and larger expenses such as building a new driveway (that cost the farm close to 20k last year). I put in a sand arena that cost around 25k, I have bought jumps, repaired barn and updated electricity, purchased a tractor, paid for bushhogging, weedwacking etc. And I buy hay and feed etc., along with things like water troughs, 4-wheeler, manure spreader, new footing for arena, etc etc etc. Up until this year, I paid barn help for stall cleaning. I now do it all myself.

If I add it up, the cost of this place has been around $600 per horse and that does not include my own labor. This year, I have done all of the barn and upkeep myself with the exception of fence repairs (ah yes, those cost me around $2k this year). And I have no mortgage or rent or taxes to pay.

In the future, we will probably sell the farm. I plan to take my two horses (winding down from 5-8 horses a year ago), and board them at a very fancy place with an indoor and 24/7 attention. Board for 2 horses will be around $1500 or so per month. I consider that a deal.

[QUOTE=BuddyRoo;8280337]

If board were 1k/mo for that? I’d be out of horses for sure. I have leased private property and done self care in MI and I don’t see how it can cost 1k/mo to keep a horse unless the property is really expensive. I know what hay costs. I know what shavings cost. If you can’t make a profit on 500/mo then you might be in a really costly land sitch or aren’t doing it right.

One of the biggest wastes I see is in shavings. When a farm decides not to clean stalls one day per week, they really screw the pooch on shavings because keeping a clean stall makes things last longer. I see many barns that strip weekly due to this Sunday crap. Well, it’s silly. I had 14 x 14 stalls that I only stripped once per month or longer and added a bag every week. Because I managed my stalls.

I also think that putting out round bales rather than feeding flakes is a mistake and money waster.

But 1k in the Midwest? Unless you’re talking major cities and very close in? No way.[/QUOTE]
All of your money saving ideas are time costing ideas. I suppose this is fine if the barn owner does all the work and has no interest in having any extra time even though they are not getting paid anything for their work hours.

I do not see how anyone makes any money when you factor in insurance, electric, water, property taxes, equipment (tractor), etc.
But then, there is that unrealistic part of the horse owning community that feels those expenses should not count.

Boarders look at the AVC (average variable costs) – feed, hay, bedding – when they go to the feed store and think, OMG, what are BOs complaining about?

Barn owners see the ATC (average total cost) – which is the actual cost – that includes things like the mortgage, the bills, the water, the tractor, the fuel costs, the taxes, the insurance, the weed spray, the fertilizer to keep the pasture nice, the waterers, the buckets that horses sit on and have to be replaced, labor, fences and repairs, constant upgrades, constant work…

I don’t make money boarding, but my boarder is such an asset to my farm I am pretty sure I’d pay her to stay!

My horses live at home. Not factoring in mortgage, as our land added very little to the purchase price-my monthly expenses per horse range $140-$200 per horse. The range is dependent on hay & season.
If I add $3 per day for stall cleaning.

While boarding is not profitable in and of itself. You really need to be honest in that it should not “cover” your mortgage if you live on the property. In my area, expect to pay around $6k per acre-and frequently, horse facilities do not add much to the cost of a property. At least not in my neck of the woods.

You shouldn’t be allocating your house mortgage, but you should be allocating your barn and horse fields portion to the business. Otherwise your “profit” is a AVC pipe dream, it’s not a real profit. That’s if you want to run it like a business. Most backyard boarding places aren’t run that way but they aren’t making real profits either and should stop claiming they are. I don’t pretend I do even though my feed and hay expenses are around $200/month and I charge more for board. I don’t allocate out all my numbers because I don’t want to take a heavy loss and be a target for the tax man, but the reality is different. I could unless I sell a horse, like any “real” barn.

[QUOTE=HorseCzar;8280317]
Horse boarding should be at minimum, $1000/month across the Midwest. I don’t see how stall boarding can sustain itself.

I’m Probably the only one that feels this way, but I’d like to know your thoughts![/QUOTE] I feel the same as you, but we would be in the minority. I am routinely shocked at the low boarding fees some people pay. No way can they be getting enough good quality forage and bedding at those low prices.

[QUOTE=ToN Farm;8280562]
I feel the same as you, but we would be in the minority. I am routinely shocked at the low boarding fees some people pay. No way can they be getting enough good quality forage and bedding at those low prices.[/QUOTE]

Well, another advantage of having a small farm is that I can buy my year’s supply of very nice hay in June when it’s $4 a bale and store it. I feed free choice which is way better than most boarding facilities. And I feed top quality grain, as much Triple Crown Senior or 30% as the horse needs. That part is not that hard. I actually find I feed less of a good concentrate, so the extra cost is worth it and evens out.

I try really hard to keep the horses outside because bedding is my big money loser. I bed appropriately and when I have to keep horses in, that’s when I barely start to break even on my basic expenses. And it isn’t because we suck at cleaning stalls, I don’t see how anyone only adds one bag of bedding per week. My horses must pee like elephants or something, that would just not be possible here removing pee spots, and I HATE the barn to smell like horse pee so that gets totally removed daily and lime put down when they are in. Each horse that is in, even half a day, goes through at least 3-4 bags of bedding per week. My horses are total pigs. The pony, when she is in, is very clean so I believe there are horses out there who are neat and never use bedding like her, but you are just lucky! if you have pigponies like mine that pee 20 gallons a day all over their stalls and want to bed nicely you’d be using 4 bags a week too.

I have big fields with large run-ins for the horses, if they can stay out it is much less expensive.

Horses get fed better here than they would at any of our local boarding barns, I just don’t have the facilities.

[QUOTE=Vindicated;8280491]
My horses live at home. Not factoring in mortgage, as our land added very little to the purchase price-my monthly expenses per horse range $140-$200 per horse. The range is dependent on hay & season.
If I add $3 per day for stall cleaning.

While boarding is not profitable in and of itself. You really need to be honest in that it should not “cover” your mortgage if you live on the property. In my area, expect to pay around $6k per acre-and frequently, horse facilities do not add much to the cost of a property. At least not in my neck of the woods.[/QUOTE]

I disagree.

If you’re boarding as a business then comparing the average costs of a “back yard owner” is comparing apples and oranges. Or maybe apples and watermellon.

East TN is a relatively cheap place to keep horses as land is not expensive and labor is relatively inexpensive. There are some other issues with both of these but that’s a basic look.

Your number is close to mine for direct care but when I add in the indirect items it gets a lot bigger. But rather than speculate why don’t you tell us how you calculated your figure? Then we can look and see if we are doing apple to apples or something else.

G.

I understand that the cost of running a boarding business continues to increase, I really do. Gradually, all decent barns around me are becoming boarding/mandatory-training establishments. Which is fine if you need those things. But when you start looking at $750/month and up (here in the Midwest), you can also wave good-bye to the clientele who simply want to trail-ride or take a lesson here or there. When only the incredibly wealthy can afford horses, it will be a sad day.

As my friends lose their horses to old age, they are - one by one - getting out of horses altogether. They held on as long as their last horse was living, but the retirees and those who are not executive-level employees just can’t do it anymore.

[QUOTE=HorseCzar;8280317]
After offering stall boarding for up to 16 boarders, I have come to one conclusion : The stall boarding industry is broken - at least in my city. My rates per month are competitive with the rest of the city barns at about $500/month. After buying hay, water, shavings, labor, mortgage, utilities, etc. I make $0 profit. This seems to be the same story for MANY boarding barns. How is this an acceptable standard in the industry? How is a barn to make improvements, pay the owners, provide good care? The stall boarders are staying at these barns essentially for free. For the amount of work, complaints, and overtime hours for the horses care, the requested additions (like bigger indoor arena, bigger turnouts, etc) how is this sustainable?

I used to look at old barns and think " why don’t they improve XY and Z?" the truth is, it’s unaffordable!

I have been told the way a barn makes its money is through training and selling horses. But let me get this straight : I have to take the money I make from training and selling horses in order to buy a new indoor arena for the clients that pay essentially nothing?

Horse boarding should be at minimum, $1000/month across the Midwest. I don’t see how stall boarding can sustain itself.

I’m Probably the only one that feels this way, but I’d like to know your thoughts![/QUOTE]

how many of your own horses are you boarding? if you are boarding any of your horses, that is your profit.

[QUOTE=Vindicated;8280491]
My horses live at home. Not factoring in mortgage, as our land added very little to the purchase price-my monthly expenses per horse range $140-$200 per horse. The range is dependent on hay & season.
If I add $3 per day for stall cleaning.

While boarding is not profitable in and of itself. You really need to be honest in that it should not “cover” your mortgage if you live on the property. In my area, expect to pay around $6k per acre-and frequently, horse facilities do not add much to the cost of a property. At least not in my neck of the woods.[/QUOTE]

What?

How did the cost of the land for your farm not get factored into your costing for your horses?

Its true that agricultural buildings are a bad investment: They cost way more to build than will come out on an appraisal. But they do cost money to build!

I find that the biggest problem with thinking about doing a small farm where I’d have boarders is getting over the hump of having to build an indoor that I’d want to ride in. When you add up the cost and risk of building a facility that matches in amenities some of the existing barns, it starts to look like a bad idea.

In any case, I think you’re wrong to tell a BO that she should not expect the business to pay the farm’s mortgage. Or rather, if that’s true, she should know that she’s subsidizing the enterprise and it’s not in the black. And that seems unsustainable for an industry at large.

Amen, OP!

As others have said, this is an issue everywhere. But when I moved to the Midwest, I was SHOCKED at the prices.

BuddyRoo, those prices you quoted for pasture board? That’s the high end of stall board prices here. (Chicago excluded.)

Location. Care. Price. Pick two.

Most of the barns around here choose location and price. And the care reflects that. We’ve made the decision to choose care (and our location is pretty good) which means our prices are increasing, and we will soon be one of the most expensive barns in the area. (At $400/month for stall board.) Many of our boarders left when we made that decision.

It’s CRAZY!

Prices are so low because many of the barns are inherited cow barns (no mortgage) with enough land to rough board and grow their own hay. But that’s still not enough, so they bed minimally, don’t muck on Sundays, feed 1 or 2 times a day, and you (as horse owner) check on your horse daily because they’re not going to notice anything less than a leg falling off. I don’t blame the BOs for this at all. It’s the only way to keep prices down where the customer demands them.

I fear for the “middle class” of our industry. I worry that in the next decade or so there will only be cheap barns (where care and facilities are substandard) or high end training facilities that are not affordable for most.

HOs need to support those mid level barns with decent care, well trained staff, and safe but not fancy facilities. And they need to do it with their wallets. Otherwise those barns aren’t going to be around much longer. We can’t survive.

I am in the Midwest and the area seems to run between 500 and 600 for full care stall board. In all honesty, I can see your point but I would have to cut out lessons if board increased that much.
I also wish there were more options with 24/7 turnout and an indoor.
As far as self care, I don’t know. If they’re on 24/7 turnout that it is a lot of savings in labor and in shavings. Personally I just wish that more and more turnout would become common.
With labor costs, stall board may become just too expensive for many horse owners.

I am in the Mid-Atlantic and have my own farm where I own four horses. I do not board but am frequently asked why I am not boarding horses - and I always turn them down. I do all my own work and also work 40-50 hours a week. I could not charge people what it would cost for me to take care of their horses when I factor in insurance costs, labor costs (when I have to hire someone when I am out of town) not to mention maintenance. I think people are crazy to board horses in this day and age for the amount of work it takes vis-a-vis what you can charge. People who complain should own their own place, try to find dependable help (impossible where I live). It is truly a labor of love for me.