[QUOTE=NEEDS A NAP;7217508]
What on earth is vintage?
I don’t remember a vintage class?[/QUOTE]
“Vintage” means the rider is over a certain age.
They don’t (typically) have CLASSES restricted to “Vintage” riders, but it is not uncommon to have year end awards restricted to “Vintage” riders.
[QUOTE=merrygoround;7217498]
If I am an amateur,and show in an Open division, and my score is 89% :lol:,my score would be recorded as an Amateur. If I’m going for a breed award, even though there are 8 different breeds on the class, I would still have my score recorded in my horse’s breed division.
Scores are movable–just hang on to that original copy.[/QUOTE]
Got it - I was confusing the all breed awards with the regular showing - see Janet’s post below.
Love the score 
[QUOTE=Janet;7217594]
OK, It seems you may be confusing two different things:
A- the criteria and names for specific CLASSES at a show
B- the criteria and names for specific YEAR END AWARDS
There is only a very rough correlation between them.
The class restriction limit who may ENTER a specific class
The year end awards ignore what CLASS you rode in, and only consider your “status”
-The J/YR year end awards take ALL the scores by J/YR riders(regardless of what the class was called) and pick out the highest
-The AA year end awards take ALL the scores by Amateur riders(regardless of what the class was called) and pick out the highest
You could, in theory, have a year end award for which there is no corresponding class, for instance an award for member of a particular GMO, or an award for people whose last name starts with M, or an award for US citizens. In each case, it would limit the people eligible for the award, but it would not matter which class they got the score in[/QUOTE]
YES. I completedly confused them - I thought they were the same thing! Thanks for recognizing and clarifying for me!
Got it now. OK - I want to have a year end award for riding through fear at a show. And I get to win it. I’ll even make my own award certificate and post it on Facebook. Actually, I think I already did something this on Sunday
Thanks for the explanation!
[QUOTE=right horse at the right time;7217471]
All totally understandable…but time in the schedule? how do you know know that ahead of time, how do you know judge ahead of time, how do you know class size ahead of time, and how do you know if a particular person will be showing that day, that test, etc.? [/QUOTE]
LOTS of people change the specific classes once the times are posted, or even when they get to the show. Obviously it depends on time slots being available. But it happens much more than I would have thought.
[QUOTE=Janet;7217618]
LOTS of people change the specific classes once the times are posted, or even when they get to the show. Obviously it depends on time slots being available. But it happens much more than I would have thought.[/QUOTE]
Aha. Got it. Never occurred to me to do that. Interesting.
[QUOTE=dudleyc;7217460]
I’ve won/placed in all breeds in both open and AA in the same year on multiple occasions in both the GOV and SWANA[/QUOTE]
How did you do that? You are supposed to be allowed to declare a horse for only ONE USDF all breeds organization. Furthermore, both organizations are members of WBFSH, whose policies do not allow dual registration.
If your horse is registered with both Oldenburg and SWANA, and you have declared it for both All Breeds programs, you are in violation of both WBFSH and USDF policies.
[QUOTE=DownYonder;7217633]
How did you do that? You are supposed to be allowed to declare a horse for only ONE USDF all breeds organization. Furthermore, both organizations are members of WBFSH, whose policies do not allow dual registration.
If your horse is registered with both Oldenburg and SWANA, and you have declared it for both All Breeds programs, you are in violation of both WBFSH and USDF policies.[/QUOTE]
Maybe more than one horse.
[QUOTE=right horse at the right time;7217630]
Aha. Got it. Never occurred to me to do that. Interesting.[/QUOTE]
If ONE ring is indoor, and the others are outdoors, and it starts to rain HARD… The secretary’s desk is surounded with people trying to change to ANY (legal for them) class in the indoor.
[QUOTE=Janet;7217665]
If ONE ring is indoor, and the others are outdoors, and it starts to rain HARD… The secretary’s desk is surounded with people trying to change to ANY (legal for them) class in the indoor.[/QUOTE]
Smart. This seems legitimate…changing classes so as not to have to ride in a big class, etc., seems less so, once the schedule has been made. But I understand.
Show secretary kindly switched riders for us last January at a recognized show when it became apparent that I wouldn’t be the rider for my very excited horse. But we just changed riders (and therefore divisions) and didn’t mess with ride times/rings/etc. It was a safety issue, not a ribbon one :).
Thanks Janet! I was also mixing up the classes and year end awards classifications. I was quite sure, though, I had never seen a “vintage” class offered!
[QUOTE=NEEDS A NAP;7217748]
Thanks Janet! I was also mixing up the classes and year end awards classifications. I was quite sure, though, I had never seen a “vintage” class offered![/QUOTE]
Thank goodness I’m not the only one. And this is yet another reason why I’m so grateful to the kind souls here who answer questions without judging me.
[QUOTE=right horse at the right time;7217017]
Are there any benefits? Advantages?[/QUOTE]
Why would an AA want to show in an Open division?
My question is why wouldn’t you?
As Bruce Davidson once said, “Why be the best of the worst.”
^That’s really unnecessary.
Considering some of the pros (no seriously, PROS who TEACH and TRAIN) I espied failing utterly at First Level at the last show I went to, you can be the best of the worst in the pro divisions as well.
Watching them warm up involved the sucking of teeth and muttering “Oh. My God.”
If you want to be in with the best you don’t have to compete open or ammy, just go show GP in any division and bring home a 75. Otherwise you’re just better than other people who can’t do that either. You know, in with “the worst” like the rest of us rather than part of “the best.”
[QUOTE=dressagechickmn;7217403]
For year end award it doesn’t matter what your status is. My sister and I have received year-ends from USDF in both the open and jr/yr divisions. I can remember my sister getting champion for training and first level in jr/yr and reserve for training and first in open for AQHA for year ends. Same for me in AQHA for third and fourth levels and training in the pinto horse association. All that matters with year end awards is your median score.[/QUOTE]
Looks like you two are some kick-a$$ riders on some not-so-typical dressage mounts!!
Around here, an AA would show open because they have “blued out” of the level they are comfortable showing and do not want to move up.
(Rule is 4 blue ribbons with a score of 60% or better)
wow - this is a rule? So theoretically, if there are only two riders in a class, and you show four times and win each time with a score of 60, you’re done for that level?
[QUOTE=right horse at the right time;7217870]
wow - this is a rule? So theoretically, if there are only two riders in a class, and you show four times and win each time with a score of 60, you’re done for that level?[/QUOTE]
I’ve never heard of that one. Maybe for the poster’s GMO’s schooling shows?
[QUOTE=Paddys Mom;7217864]
Around here, an AA would show open because they have “blued out” of the level they are comfortable showing and do not want to move up.
(Rule is 4 blue ribbons with a score of 60% or better)[/QUOTE]
Could you tell me where that rule comes from? it is not a USEF rule as far as I know.
I can’t think why even for schooling shows four scores in the 60’s where no one else happened to beat you would be cause for kicking someone out of a level.
If someone has an average horse that doesn’t do changes I guess after four uncontested 60s at second that’s it.
Maybe if the cutoff was 70 and we are restricting out of a “entry to x level adult” class but a 60??? What, once you squeak past 59 you really ought to move up or go pro??
Op-you can’t change declaration every year for year ends. Like my guy he can not have year end awards in USDF in anything but Pinto Horse Association. And yes we come from a barn that is full of non typical dressage mounts. My boy is a ten year old Arabian/Pinto cross that is solid second level and hopefully moving to third soon. My sister had that AQHA gelding schooling second level then she got a Arabian/Westphalien to second level. At the barn where we board we have had many appys some stayed around first and second level and then we had others that went into the fei levels. I love non typical dressage mounts they have the heart that makes up for the lacking in other places.
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