Why would an AA want to show in an Open division?

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

[QUOTE=dressagechickmn;7217969]
Op-you can’t change declaration every year for year ends. Like my guy he can not have year end awards in USDF in anything but Pinto Horse Association. And yes we come from a barn that is full of non typical dressage mounts. My boy is a ten year old Arabian/Pinto cross that is solid second level and hopefully moving to third soon. My sister had that AQHA gelding schooling second level then she got a Arabian/Westphalien to second level. At the barn where we board we have had many appys some stayed around first and second level and then we had others that went into the fei levels. I love non typical dressage mounts they have the heart that makes up for the lacking in other places.[/QUOTE]

So once you declare All Breed year end, you have that for life?

I love your story :). My non-typical boy is a draft cross with a heart of gold :). And I wouldn’t be able to ride a fancier mover now even if I had one! Although I love my horse’s canter and think it is super when he’s round…I can’t even sit his trot yet. And it’s not a difficult trot to sit.

[dudleyc]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;7217633]
How did you do that? You are supposed to be allowed to declare a horse for only ONE USDF all breeds organization. Furthermore, both organizations are members of WBFSH, whose policies do not allow dual registration.

If your horse is registered with both Oldenburg and SWANA, and you have declared it for both All Breeds programs, you are in violation of both WBFSH and USDF policies.[/QUOTE]
I have 2 horses

[Janet]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7217967]
I can’t think why even for schooling shows four scores in the 60’s where no one else happened to beat you would be cause for kicking someone out of a level.

If someone has an average horse that doesn’t do changes I guess after four uncontested 60s at second that’s it.

Maybe if the cutoff was 70 and we are restricting out of a “entry to x level adult” class but a 60??? What, once you squeak past 59 you really ought to move up or go pro??[/QUOTE]

I do not think she is saying you have to move up to the next LEVEL.

I think she is saying you have to move up to “OPEN” at that level.

But it still seems weird, and I would like to see the actual rule.

[hoopoe]

Why be the best of the worst

wow my respect for BD just fell a ton

There are plenty of ammys who ride rings around pros, they are turning in beautiful rides on lovely horses.

the notion that riders are riding against each other and at the end of the class the judge will score place them is wrong thinking. All riders are riding against an ideal and judges should not be judging “light” or “hard” depending on the riders status of ammy or pro. The score you get , you would get in the class no matter what division it is.

open classes are just that, open to all. I often rode in open classes on the last day of a show if the class was early in the morning, allowing us to hit the road asap

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=dudleyc;7218045]
I have 2 horses[/QUOTE]

Ah, thanks for the clarification! I obviously interpreted your post to mean you were winning All-Breeds awards for two separate organizations on the same horse.:o

[dudleyc]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;7218920]
Ah, thanks for the clarification! I obviously interpreted your post to mean you were winning All-Breeds awards for two separate organizations on the same horse.:o[/QUOTE]

Yeah that would be lame

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=dressagechickmn;7217547]
Op- sadly some people double register the fancy horses so it’s easier to win year end awards. My boy is double register as he is a Arab/Pinto cross that was bred to be loudly colored but that didn’t happen. So I randomly picked his year ends affiliation and that happened to be PtHA. I remember years ago you could win year ends for whatever registries your horse was, for example since my boy is double registired he could of won year ends for both. But that is no longer allowed thankfully.[/QUOTE]

you can’t do that any more. you have to nominate the horse forONE registry,I,e. My horse is reg. Appy and AHA, but I had to select one or the other for USDF. I chose Appy. In the past, my previous horse did get awards for multiple “colored” horse registries, but not any longer.

[dressagechickmn]

Sandy- yes if you read the end of my post you just quoted I said thankfully you cant do that anymore in regards to the doubling up for year end awards.

[Paddys_Mom]

[QUOTE=Janet;7218268]
I do not think she is saying you have to move up to the next LEVEL.

I think she is saying you have to move up to “OPEN” at that level.

But it still seems weird, and I would like to see the actual rule.[/QUOTE]

Correct, you have to move to Open at that level, or move to the next level.
This is the rule for our GMO’s schooling show series.

See rule #5:
http://www.nodarider.org/Forms/2013%20Forms/2013SS-ShowRules.pdf

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

So that’s intro novice only? What is novice? We don’t have novice…

[Paddys_Mom]

[QUOTE=right horse at the right time;7219248]
So that’s intro novice only? What is novice? We don’t have novice…[/QUOTE]

Novice = Amateur in this context.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

[QUOTE=Paddys Mom;7219280]
Novice = Amateur in this context.[/QUOTE]

Thanks-do your shows fill up? I’m just wondering what would happen if someone literally had no one else in the class, scored 60 each time, then couldn’t show at that level as an ammy anymore. Does that ever happen or are there 10 people showing at intro/training novice?

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=right horse at the right time;7219311]
Thanks-do your shows fill up? I’m just wondering what would happen if someone literally had no one else in the class, scored 60 each time, then couldn’t show at that level as an ammy anymore. Does that ever happen or are there 10 people showing at intro/training novice?[/QUOTE]

They can still show the level they just have to do it in the open class.
Which I still find odd but whatever.

[mjhco]

[QUOTE=Paddys Mom;7219212]
Correct, you have to move to Open at that level, or move to the next level.
This is the rule for our GMO’s schooling show series.

See rule #5:
http://www.nodarider.org/Forms/2013%20Forms/2013SS-ShowRules.pdf[/QUOTE]

Looks like a fun show series.

NOTE: The NOVICE designation has to do with level of experience for Juniors and Amateurs. USEF has a MAIDEN, NOVICE, LIMIT designation as well based on numbers of blue ribbons.

AMATEUR does not necessarily mean INCOMPETENT or LACKING EXPERIENCE. It just indicates where one’s income comes from.

[Janet]

[QUOTE=Paddys Mom;7219280]
Novice = Amateur in this context.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think so.

“Amateur” is defined on what you get paid to do. BY DEFINITION, Amateur status is “Regardless of one’s equestrian skills and/or accomplishments” (FIRST SENTENCE of the Amateur rules)

“Novice” is defined by the USEF, and IS DEFINED in terms of accomplishments:

GR135 Maiden, Novice, and Limit Classes.

1. Maiden, Novice and Limit classes are open to horses which have not won one/
   three/six first place ribbons respectively, at Regular or Dressage Competitions of
   The Federation or Equine Canada in the particular performance division or level
   in which they are shown.
2. The Maiden, Novice or Limit status of both riders and drivers is affected by winnings
   at Regular and Local or Dressage Competitions. (Exception: Arabian)
3. Ribbons won in one-horse classes do not count in reckoning the maiden, novice
   or limit status of either horse and/or rider/driver in any division.
4. The status of Maiden, Novice or Limit entries is as of the closing date of entries
   for any particular Licensed Competition.

Your organization has tweaked it slightly, to be
the rider has won 4 blue ribbons with a score of 60% or better, [/QUOTE]
but it is still, like the USEF definition, based on “accomplishments”

NOT AT ALL like Amateur status

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=Janet;7219381]
I don’t think so.

“Amateur” is defined on what you get paid to do. BY DEFINITION, Amateur status is “Regardless of one’s equestrian skills and/or accomplishments” (FIRST SENTENCE of the Amateur rules)

“Novice” is defined by the USEF, and IS DEFINED in terms of accomplishments:

Your organization has tweaked it slightly, to be
the rider has won 4 blue ribbons with a score of 60% or better, [/QUOTE]
but it is still, like the USEF definition, based on “accomplishments”

NOT AT ALL like Amateur status[/QUOTE]

But it may not be defined that way for the GMO.

If the GMO wants to run a non-USEF sanctioned show, they can have whatever classifications they want, can’t they?

[Paddys_Mom]

[QUOTE=Janet;7219381]
I don’t think so.

“Amateur” is defined on what you get paid to do. BY DEFINITION, Amateur status is “Regardless of one’s equestrian skills and/or accomplishments” (FIRST SENTENCE of the Amateur rules)

“Novice” is defined by the USEF, and IS DEFINED in terms of accomplishments:

Your organization has tweaked it slightly, to be
the rider has won 4 blue ribbons with a score of 60% or better, [/QUOTE]
but it is still, like the USEF definition, based on “accomplishments”

NOT AT ALL like Amateur status[/QUOTE]

Yes, but the way it works in reality is that amateurs start in Novice Training Level, “blue out”, then show Open Training Level, where they are competing against professionals for show placings. In the NODA world, your AA/PRO designation only matters in regards to the year end championship show - no pros allowed.

Not complaining, as it is a good organization with nice shows and award opportunities.

For reference, if you are bored…
http://www.nodarider.org/SS-ShowResults.htm

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=dressagechickmn;7219113]
Sandy- yes if you read the end of my post you just quoted I said thankfully you cant do that anymore in regards to the doubling up for year end awards.[/QUOTE]

sorry. Misread. Yes, your post is correct. didn’t mean to imply disagreement. Still, it was fun, one year, when I got THREE sets of awards: ApHC, ApSHA and Colored Sport Horse Assn. LOL. Still, not really fair, so I, too, am thankful they changed it. I did debate nominating as half-Arabian, but since my horse is full characteristic and color as an Appy, I thought it was better he show as an Appy.

[exploding_pony]

You used to be able to win multiple all breeds awards - The Exploding Pony was registered in Pinto Horse Assoc, International Sporthorses of Color and some other color breed registry which I can’t even remember at this point.

One year we won all three All Breeds, AA and Open (OK, back then there were not very many pintos out there doing dressage and I was riding a freestyle - it wasn’t like we were all that amazing).

At some point over the last few years USDF realized this was kind of ridiculous and you had to pick one breed registry for each horse. And you can’t change it (because I imagine some people with horses eligible for multiple registries were selecting the registry with the smallest pool and switching when things changed).

[JackSprats_Mom]

Say you want to show your horse at one level, which most people do, like 2nd 1 or 2nd 2. So you enter all available classes at that level, which are usually only two per day, regardless of whether they are classified as OPEN or AA/JR/YR. You want to show your horse in that class, doing that test, and it doesn’t matter who you are showing against.

This is why I do it, more classes.