Will it ever stop?

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=goodmorning;7679162]
This horse is not MLs type of ride, nor does it want her type of ride. She is rather aggressive which can really backfire while riding a ‘worrier’ or whatever you’d like to call it. Also not as soft as KOC.

I do remember his breeder being quite proud of this horse. He is lovely horse-flesh, but, looks like he should stay at the even LLs. Also, he apparently had a horrid buck? Anyone remember that interview where he was mentioned as having bucked the whole barn off in his younger years? Not all horses want to play.

I’d say it was a schooling round for ML. Her other horse passed away, Demeter is likely on standby for WEG…her string isn’t as deep as it used to be? What a shocker when you run your horses as much as she does, RF Smoke tradgey aside.[/QUOTE]

There are a lot of people who don’t like her for exactly that reason.

[DoubleTwistedWire]

[QUOTE=goodmorning;7679162]

I’d say it was a schooling round for ML. Her other horse passed away, Demeter is likely on standby for WEG…her string isn’t as deep as it used to be? What a shocker when you run your horses as much as she does, RF Smoke tradgey aside.[/QUOTE]

ML ran two other horses Int as well. She hardly needed a third for “schooling.”

[SnicklefritzG]

I’d like to see a “personal trainer” run ML as much as she does her horses. Let’s see how long SHE lasts…

[FrittSkritt]

[QUOTE=goodmorning;7679162]

I’d say it was a schooling round for ML. Her other horse passed away, Demeter is likely on standby for WEG…her string isn’t as deep as it used to be? What a shocker when you run your horses as much as she does, RF Smoke tradgey aside.[/QUOTE]

I doubt that. She has plenty of financial backing and other young(er) horses to work with. KOC was at MDHT so she was likely just catch riding him.

[pharmgirl]

[QUOTE=mkevent;7679205]
Watching the videos, I thought that the fence he stopped at at MD did look rather similar to the one he had a fall at Badminton.

Obviously the questions were different in difficulty, but the log portion on top of a hill/mound may have been similar enough for it to rattle his confidence.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking that as well- like he can’t process questions like that so quickly, or he remembered Badminton? I also think with the amount of falls this horse has had, he may be lacking some self preservation that is really needed for an event horse…

[fooler]

A) IMO - it appeared as though ML was schooling him around the course. She never opened him up for speed and seemed to set him up for a lot of the fences, as you would with a horse green at that level.
B) Agree with MKEvent - I wonder if he has a mental thing with “fences + banks” of any sort. Not exactly the same as the fence he fell from, but very similar.
C) I didn’t mind the whip. My late instructor, who also raised 5 kids 4 of them boys, always told us to “make a point and get off of it”. As in one good whack to say let’s get on with it is far superior to a bunch of taps. The one good whack tells the horse you mean business, if he stops after that, then it is time to take a step back to see what else may be at issue.

[starboard]

[QUOTE=FrittSkritt;7679234]
I doubt that. She has plenty of financial backing and other young(er) horses to work with. KOC was at MDHT so she was likely just catch riding him.[/QUOTE]

ML has the ride on the horse, point blank. Nobody else in the barn wants to ride him because he falls down.

[JER]

[QUOTE=fooler;7679251]

C) I didn’t mind the whip. My late instructor, who also raised 5 kids 4 of them boys, always told us to “make a point and get off of it”. As in one good whack to say let’s get on with it is far superior to a bunch of taps. [/QUOTE]

fooler, I agree with you here, especially as applied to children. (:))

What I found sad was that Mandiba, a 15 year-old horse who was pushed to compete at top level before he was ready, who suffered horrific injuries in his fall at Badminton, who was overfaced at the Olympics and Badminton and Burghley, who has had other falls on course, was sent out on UL XC yet again and, finally, was punished for being the horse that everyone knows he is.

[fooler]

[QUOTE=JER;7679280]
fooler, I agree with you here, especially as applied to children. (:))

What I found sad was that Mandiba, a 15 year-old horse who was pushed to compete at top level before he was ready, who suffered horrific injuries in his fall at Badminton, who was overfaced at the Olympics and Badminton and Burghley, who has had other falls on course, was sent out on UL XC yet again and, finally, was punished for being the horse that everyone knows he is.[/QUOTE]

On that we can agree. I would prefer that he either limited to Training and below as he appeared to be ok with everything except the fence+mound. Looking at his round, I think Training and below is within his comfort zone. Otherwise retire him from eventing completely. He deserves to enjoy the rest of his competitive career and life.

[Carol_Ames]

finding the right retirement situation is not always possible; my first three day horse, Lesson Plan" I was able to retire to the hunt field which, to my surprise, he loved; my neighbor, who, whipped for Loudon hunted him several times/ week; I had hoped to lease him to a foxhunting home, sadly, that was not possible and I gave him to a former working student living in Canada, where he was a “school horse” from there he went to a therapeutic riding center where, he probably lived his last days loved :)by the children and starring as "Rudolph each year at Christmas:)

[Carol_Ames]

Great Meadows, what happened?Who went? What did they jump at what speed??

[IronwoodFarm]

Carol, Great Meadows is this weekend. Perhaps you can come out yourself. CDCTA will have a tent and refreshments for members.

[gr8fulrider]

[QUOTE=Carol Ames;7679327]
finding the right retirement situation is not always possible; )[/QUOTE]

I agree, but with a horse who has given what he could at the highest levels over the years, owned by people of means, the answer is pretty easy: give him whatever he needs.

It’s not an owner-to-college or divorce sale situation after all.

[Winding_Down]

[QUOTE=fooler;7679299]
On that we can agree. I would prefer that he either limited to Training and below as he appeared to be ok with everything except the fence+mound. Looking at his round, I think Training and below is within his comfort zone. [/QUOTE]

I agree and he could provide someone with a wonderful partnership. There are plenty of adult amateurs out there who would be so lucky to have such a rideable and fancy horse.

[Jealoushe]

Mandiba is welcome to come retire at my farm He is a lovely boy but he just looks a little taken aback before the fences. The fence was similar to that at Badminton, he probably has fear memory from that. I really feel for this horse. I just want to give him scratches and hugs.

[subk]

[QUOTE=Winding Down;7679729]
I agree and he could provide someone with a wonderful partnership. There are plenty of adult amateurs out there who would be so lucky to have such a rideable and fancy horse. :)[/QUOTE]
Shortly after she got out of the hospital KOC gave an interview and she refered to Mandiba as a “one-rider” type of horse. So maybe not so ridable by just anyone?

[Toadie_s_mom]

[QUOTE=Divine Comedy;7678809]
If ML is riding him, I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s taken over the ride. And I doubt she’ll be happy to let him hangout at P/I levels.

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Yes

@chancellor2;7678945

From what I have seen of ML, nothing gets in the way of what she wants which is unfortunate for Mandiba.

YES

@JER;7679127

That crack of the whip at about 1:58 was a very sad sound indeed.

From personal observation show jumpers are the most proficient at whip use :yes:

[QUOTE=goodmorning;7679162]This horse is not MLs type of ride, nor does it want her type of ride. She is rather aggressive which can really backfire while riding a ‘worrier’ or whatever you’d like to call it. Also not as soft as KOC.

/QUOTE]

Given the “relationship” between ML and KOC, what ML wants, or think she wants, ML gets.

[Carol_Ames]

Oh, I’ve not missed it then?:); I’ll start looking for a ride today!:yes:

[Carol_Ames]

I recall Denny saying in the 1980ies that he wished we could/ would downgrade older horses here:), as they do in Canada; he had just watched Victor Dakin canter around a training level course:); thoughts on this?

[asterix]

Her other I horse had what was described to me as a rotational fall at intermediate at MHT.